Well, she's 40, so they can't keep this up *too* much longer.

...and my imagination turns to wonder the pressure they'll put on the daughters to start having children...

E-gad. I do not think nice thoughts.

The older kids have experience in growing up in a very large family. So I can see them going one of two ways. Some will probably embrace the idea and try for large families of their own. (But will they be able to support large families?) And some will have children only over their dead bodies.

...and my imagination turns to wonder the pressure they'll put on the daughters to start having children...

At a guess, based on my knowledge of the sort of theology and lifestyle that goes with the quiverfull movement, there's probably not a strong expectation that the girls will go to college. Apparently one of the latest Big Things is that you remain a part of your father's household until you marry, and instead of dating you have a sort of pseudo-arranged marriage through courtship with input from both sets of parents. Not that I know the Duggars buy into that part of the movement. Pure speculation, here. One of my online hobbies just happens to be lurking on quiverfull/dominionist sites and blogs and just boggling at how different it is from the Christianity I've experienced, including back when I was more conservative/evangelical than mainline.

My Irish Grandparents were from huge families, 11, 12, 13 kids. I had zillions of great aunts and uncles. I enjoy the lively households with lots of kids (like 4-5 being my definition of lots). The grandparents were not nutty though, just Catholic.

Just to be clear -- it's not the number of kids that freak me out about the Duggars, it's the specific freakiness of the quiverful movement. It's one thing to have a lot of kids because you love being a parent, it's another to literally believe that an empty uterus makes the baby Jesus cry. That the whole value of a woman is how many little Christian soldiers she can produce. Makes my skin crawl.

...and my imagination turns to wonder the pressure they'll put on the daughters to start having children...

Right now, the oldest daughters are too busy being surrogate moms for their younger siblings.

And some will have children only over their dead bodies.

Yes, the eldest of my SIL's 6 kids claims she will never get married or have children. She already raised 5 of them. Her mother and others think she will get over it. I don't think so. She is 30 now and never lets a relationship get serious.

I don't think the Duggers are ignorant. The father is an elected representative and they seem educated and pretty decent people. They are very religious but they don't seem to think that everyone needs to live like they do.

Can't really say anything about their obsession with J's considering my own with O's.

I secretly wonder how they deal with their children if the kids question their lifestyle and profess a desire to cut their hair (girls) or wear clothes that don't match.

The older kids have experience in growing up in a very large family. So I can see them going one of two ways. Some will probably embrace the idea and try for large families of their own. (But will they be able to support large families?) And some will have children only over their dead bodies.

My Dad is one of eight. They all opted for two or three.

Everyone gets along and they spend a lot of time with their siblings, but my Grandparents sacrificed a lot to have that brood and I don't think that appealed to any of their children (one it might have, but he and his wife (one of 7 herself) started too late to get out more than the two that they did).

That the whole value of a woman is how many little Christian soldiers she can produce.

And I ask this with genuine curiosity: What's the value of the men in the movement?

I have business friends that are both doctors and they have 8 children. They seem totally sane and the children that I have met were delightful humans. They have no money issues. Pretty sure she had them all considering their looks and spacing. The mom is tiny too, damn it.