Well, if we followed the recipe...should be cake. A demon-violence-free-zone cake.

Lorne ,'Why We Fight'


Spike's Bitches 36: Did I Sully Our Good Name?  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Pete, Husband of Jilli - May 31, 2007 10:07:19 am PDT #968 of 10001
"I've got a gun! I've got a mother-flippin' gun!" - Moss, The IT Crowd

LJ is working again. After all flouncing off isn't much use if you can't flounce back to see who missed you, right?


Laga - May 31, 2007 10:11:50 am PDT #969 of 10001
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

Skipping ahead to say: When I decided to play musicals all day while cleaning/moving and when I further decided I would start with the first one I came to... I didn't realize it was going to be The Wall and now my day is starting out all twisted and weird.


amych - May 31, 2007 10:14:19 am PDT #970 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

vw, I like "socially conscious", but (without knowing the subject of the letter) I wonder if reframing the issue as as something other than red/blue would be more effective in keeping them from shutting you out?

(Unless the red/blue is the actual issue. In which case it's kind of weaselly to avoid it...)


vw bug - May 31, 2007 10:17:51 am PDT #971 of 10001
Mostly lurking...

I'm trying to describe that I'm in the interesting position of being theologically conservative while being socially liberal.

And the more I think about it, the more I think that socially conscious won't work, because it insinuates that people who are theologically conservative aren't socially conscious, which will also cause problems (no matter what *my* thoughts on that particular issue are).


vw bug - May 31, 2007 10:18:29 am PDT #972 of 10001
Mostly lurking...

Actually, that's not the point of the letter as a whole...it needs to be said to address the most recent sermon series.


Toddson - May 31, 2007 10:23:23 am PDT #973 of 10001
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

vw, open-minded? tolerant?


juliana - May 31, 2007 10:25:50 am PDT #974 of 10001
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

I'd go with progressive.


Daisy Jane - May 31, 2007 10:26:38 am PDT #975 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

I wonder if any word or phrase would do if what you're essentially saying is "Your sermons have been A, which bothers me because I'm B." Because regardless of what word you use, it sets them up as not-B.


vw bug - May 31, 2007 10:29:59 am PDT #976 of 10001
Mostly lurking...

Actually, I'm arguing on the side of the pastor on this one. Basically, my point is, if I can sit through it without causing a huff, then I don't see what other people are having a problem with. It's kind of complicated. There are a few people that are attempting to split the church, and I'm really furious about the whole thing. The Elders have asked for letters, so I've written one. I just want to make sure it doesn't get tossed into the "Communist/Crazy" pile.


amych - May 31, 2007 10:31:47 am PDT #977 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Because regardless of what word you use, it sets them up as not-B.

This is right, and I think it's really what I was getting at by talking about reframing. Conservative/liberal (regardless of which side you're using to mean "good") is such a big kneejerky thing where people rush to align themselves -- maybe the issue can be seen, not as "your sermons are A while I am B" but as "sermons are assuming (A somehow comparable to B), but really 17".

(edit after vw's post - I'm really sorry about the possible split. I know it's an incredibly traumatic thing for a church to go through, and that's true whatever the theological issues.)