Anya ,'Sleeper'
This thread is part of an experiment to determine Buffistas' interest in television discussion. It will close on June 1st, 2007, after which there will be a brief skirmish to sort out what we want to do next. This thread is for discussion of all comedy, regardless of airing station. [NAFDA]
I do wonder about Karen -- did Jim talk to her before driving back to Scranton? Where is she now, and how's she gonna get home, and what's she gonna do now that she's lost both Jim and the job?I know. I hope they're able to get Rashida for some episodes, despite her pilot. She was a perfect foil for the Jim/Pam storyline, because I never felt like it was unreasonable that Jim would be into her. I hope we at least get a flashback to or exposition on how they ended things.
that final scene with the flashback to the Beach and Jim coming into Pam's TH was just awesome. i hope we aren't subjected to a VM issue where the summer is spent with them getting into their relationship and we miss all the good stuff.
I think in some ways, we might be, but not in the worst ways. VM managed somehow, to remove all the tension from the V/L relationship. The Office is really about Pam and Jim, so once they're solid, it's sort of over. But, I think the writers of The Office have (so far) shown themselves to have a much better understanding of how to throw believable complications in the path of their star couple, without taking away all the tension. They won my faith with the aftermath of Casino Night, and throughout the second season.
I knew Ryan was going to get the job. I wasn't spoiled for it, but I just knew it. I was thinking about it during last week's episode, because his tendency to be a giant weasel has been really highlighted, all season long. Then I forgot all about it. I hope Kelly's not so easy to ditch. I really love how he can't get rid of her. He deserves that.
I actually gasped out loud at the end! But it does make perfect sense. And I am dying to see how tortured he ends up being in the Jan role. It's not like he'll just be schmoozing it at Corporate. I hope!
I didn't get the sense when Karen left the interview to meet up with friends she thought she was leaving Jim. It seemed like their trip to NY was going pretty well. I predict some more pain at least in the beginning of the season.
I second Kate's
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes!
about having a place to talk about the show!
Oh! and Jim's hair was totally dorky but perfect!
I didn't get the sense when Karen left the interview to meet up with friends she thought she was leaving Jim. It seemed like their trip to NY was going pretty well. I predict some more pain at least in the beginning of the season.
I didn't really, either. But there was one second where I wondered if they'd already ended it. I kind feel like stuff may have happened between them after Karen started asking Jim if they'd both come to New York, assuming one got the job, and when she told them that they'd never make it as a couple in Scranton.
The only time I really haven't liked Karen all season long was when she called Pam a bitch. I understand why she did, but looking at the whole picture, Pam really wasn't trying to be a bitch or undermine them as a couple. She was being honest about her feelings, and trying to revive their friendship, without making a big, emotional plea for Jim to reconsider her.
I got a total Macbeth vibe when Angela and Dwight were scheming. "Goodbye, Kelly Kapoor."
Oh, good! The Office discussion! I was late in catching up with the show yesterday and I looked on the thread briefly last night but there wasn't much discussion then.
The yogurt-lid gold medal killed me. The callback to "Office Olympics" was such a perfect touch, I wanted to hug whichever writer came up with it. It was Paul and... someone else, who wrote the episode, right? And the look on Jim's face when he answered, "friendships," to David Wallace. Gahhh. Like I said in LJ, I felt like that flashback to Beach Games was the culmination of Jim's arc this season, much as the speech before it was Pam's, albeit a much quieter one. Jim's been sort of lost all season, and he finally admitted that to himself and to Pam, and I felt like that was the first time they'd been completely honest with each other since... well, ever. And Pam's talking head at the end -- well, that was the first time she admitted *on camera* that there was more than friendship between Jim and her, right? And the juxtaposition to her talking head, when she sounded so sad but so brave ("... and if he never comes back again... that's OK. We're friends." *cue waterworks*) with Jim's return trip home -- it was so incredibly poignant and perfect. And I really think Pam would have been OK. She'd have been heartbroken, but eventually, she'd have been OK. But then he came back, and I know I said that it would have been enough for Pam to finally come to her own in last week's episode even if these two didn't get together, but I... well, kind of burst into tears because Pam looked so happy. That's not too lame, right?
The Office is really about Pam and Jim, so once they're solid, it's sort of over.
Hmmm. Even though I'm way too emotionally invested in Jim/Pam, I don't think this is true. We've had very little Jim/Pam for most of the middle patches of the season, and I think they've shown that the show can have plenty of heart even when it's not centered around Jim/Pam. (I'm thinking in particular about that gorgeous Dwight arc in the middle that culminated in Michael asking him to come back from Staples, the Michael/Pam stuff at the art show, Angela's character growth, etc.) I'm curious to see what they're going to do with Jim/Pam, and the utterly train-wrecky Michael/Jan (the total implosion of Jan and her loss of dignity was the only thing about the finale that didn't make me happy) and hopefully more developments for minor characters next season.
I assumed Jim invited Pam to dinner because he and Karen were no longer a couple. Largely on his "it's a date" comment, even though there's some room to interpret.
And as I've said in Bureaucracy, I'd also like somewhere to keep discussing.
I can't remember if I fell asleep before the ends of Scrubs. How stupid is that? How did it end, Matt?
Elliot and JD were hiding in the on-call room freaking out about their respective relationships, and after a montage (of happy couple Carla & Turk, dysfunctional couple Cox & Jordan, and Keith and Kim alone waiting up for them) they're lying together on a cot, turn to each other, and the screen fades to black.
I definitely fell asleep then, Matt. Thanks. I will have to watch the whole thing, tonight.
The Office is really about Pam and Jim, so once they're solid, it's sort of over.
Hmmm. Even though I'm way too emotionally invested in Jim/Pam, I don't think this is true.
I think I overstated. I know I've read that Gervais said the UK original series was really all about Tim and Dawn -- that the film crew came to tell a story about a regular old bad boss in a regular job, and happened upon this love story in the making, so that shaped the fictional film crew's choice of footage, and editing, etc. Jim and Pam are like Tim and Dawn in that they're one another's bright spot and sanity. Pam and Jim are less central to the US series than Tim and Dawn were to the UK original. The rest of the US cast gets more focus than the rest of the UK cast got, but P/J is certainly a focus of the fictional documentary crew.
I think the US series has somewhat more freedom to let Jim and Pam get closer here and there than Tim and Dawn could be, but they really can't just be a happy couple, or the show will (I think) lose something. They're not eccentric enough to handle the way the show has handled the other office couples. They're our regular, competent, bored people in a crazy office full of dysfunctionals. They need conflict to keep them going.
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