I mean, let's say you did kill us. Or didn't. There could be torture. Whatever. But somehow you found the goods. What would your cut be?

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Boxed Set, Vol. IV: It's always suicide-mission this, save-the-planet that.  

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le nubian - Jan 23, 2008 7:56:17 am PST #9649 of 10001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Are we supposed to infer that Cap'n Jack has real feelings for Gwen...or not.


Jon B. - Jan 23, 2008 8:12:00 am PST #9650 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Are we supposed to infer that Cap'n Jack has real feelings for Gwen...or not.

Are you asking because of the first ep of the new series? My take is that no, he doesn't have any specific feelings for Gwen. Jack wants everyone for himself, is all. He's selfish that way.


Liese S. - Jan 23, 2008 8:29:17 am PST #9651 of 10001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Torchwood 2.01:

I think that also there's the whole thing where in the beginning of the first series, Gwen remarks on everyone's lack of significant others. She remains the only one with a stable (more or less) relationship outside of Torchwood. I think Jack would be happier in general if his worker bees didn't have too much in the way of external ties, and getting engaged is a big one.

It's kind of hard to parse with all the importance that Rhys had in bringing things to a head at the end of last series. Rhys is somehow emblematic of the real world, of everything they had to give up to be a part of what they do. And Gwen hasn't given him up yet. The engagement during Jack's absence speaks very strongly of her refuting the need to be pulled completely into Torchwood.

But part of why I think Jack doesn't want the ties is because of the risk factor. Gwen can make the call for herself as to what level she wants to expose herself to, but right now she's making it for Rhys, too. Her job puts Rhys in danger, and he doesn't know it, and he doesn't know why. That's jacked up.

I'll be anxious to see where they go with it the rest of this series.


Dana - Jan 23, 2008 8:34:30 am PST #9652 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

I saw something in the preview, but it went by fast, so don't highlight the whitefont if you don't want to know:

I'm pretty sure there's a shot of Gwen and Rhys going down into Torchwood by the visitor entrance. So I think Rhys is going to find out more about it this season.


tiggy - Jan 23, 2008 8:37:10 am PST #9653 of 10001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

I saw the same thing, Dana.


Liese S. - Jan 23, 2008 8:38:20 am PST #9654 of 10001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Yeah, and I think I heard a line from him too.


le nubian - Jan 23, 2008 8:44:29 am PST #9655 of 10001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Jon,

yes, that is why I was asking. Interesting response. I was wondering if the writers were being sloppy.


Jon B. - Jan 23, 2008 8:47:28 am PST #9656 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Liese, I agree with everything you say. I think both of our forces are at work here.

Also, I definitely heard a line from him in the preview.


Fiona - Jan 23, 2008 9:23:44 am PST #9657 of 10001

That tallies with what I read in an interview with the actor.

Owen's had sex with men and women, when he dosed the girl in the bar with the alient pheromones her boyfriend started after them so Owen dosed the boyfriend as well and had sex with both of them.

Owen didn't have sex with both of them, it was a ruse to help him escape. I have the feeling he's pretty squarely hetero, actually.

Oh, and in further "Ashes to Ashes" news:

Starts 7 February 2008, 9.00pm, BBC One

The BBC website is up here.


Polter-Cow - Jan 23, 2008 9:25:46 am PST #9658 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Ooh! That's a week before Skins starts up!