Xander ,'Storyteller'
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Owen is complicated and broken in not-easy-to-love ways, and Gorham works it for all its worth.
I didn't watch in real time, having gone to bed at 7PM, but I've seen the episode via somewhat illegal yet ethical means and look forward to revisiting it and seeing how I feel about it this time through.
Does that make any kind of sense?
Completey. He might also have gone in hoping to die, but since he told Jack he didn't want to be "saved" (as opposed to didn't want to live), I think you take's more likely. I'm just curious how sure he was the routine was going to work, and where the surety came from.
Well, we do know from what's been said by the other characters, that he's spent a fair amount of time studying the one captive at Torchwood. I'm thinking that is was the same one that he faced in the ring.
See, I'm pretty well convinced that Owen bought into it, at least partly. Diane just left him, and he's not used to that. He slept with her, he admitted to being in love with her, he practically begged her not to leave, and she left anyway, almost without a regret.
I think the alpha male message is something that would appeal to him already, and when you add in the fact that he's just been so badly hurt, I think he was both a) ready to die and b) ready to beat the shit out of something.
Eh. I was not impressed. I still don't like Owen and I still don't like Gwen. How fucking cowardly and pathetic is it to confess, then give someone an amnesia pill. If he was really going to forgive her, he wouldn't have needed it, I think. she had clearly planned it, it's not even like she thought "I'll confess, and if it goes badly, I'll drug him". She never intended Rhys to really know.
She never intended Rhys to really know.
That's why it's brilliant. She knew he'd be hurt and angry. She wanted the catharsis of confessing without having to deal with the consequences. I mean, I totally agree that it makes her less likeable. But to me, it makes her more interesting.
Why does that make her interesting? To me, it just makes her manipulative and cowardly.
Because manipulative and cowardly doesn't preclude interesting? *g*
I think it's because at the beginning of the series, she was the outsider. She's the POV character for the audience, the one who was horrified at the existence of Retcon, the fact that Torchwood keeps bodies of employees in its morgue, at every new terrible thing we learned about Torchwood. And now Torchwood has corrupted her. I think Torchwood has also done good things for her, and you can't argue that they haven't saved the world a few times, but you also see the cost.
I also think that structurally, it's a great scene. Well written and acted, with that beautiful turn of HSQ at the end.
To me, it just makes her manipulative and cowardly.
It's been a while since I saw the scene, and yet I remember it clearly. It was brilliant. Yes manipulative and cowardly in the extreme, and it was very much in character. It reminded me that often the closest loved ones bring out the worst qualities in people along with the best. The scene was repulsive and made me want to slap her hard, and yet I pitied her. Awesome.
Scifi is running some sort of behind the scenes of their new Wizard of Oz mini-series in about 13 minutes.