I'd think that an important part of learning to be a doctor would be to learn not to scream and throw your hands up.
Let me guess. We're in a hurry.
Inara ,'Serenity'
Boxed Set, Vol. IV: It's always suicide-mission this, save-the-planet that.
A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.
Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.
Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.
This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.
Ginger - Nov 12, 2007 5:24:27 am PST #8304 of 10001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda
Strega - Nov 12, 2007 6:33:47 am PST #8305 of 10001
I didn't see a man being portrayed that way. The Chief wouldn't have been shown to freeze up. I don't even remember the details now. Was that when Baltar saved her by shooting the guy that was shouting at her? It was something like that.
Cally froze because she was supposed to go running toward the Cylons shouting, "Plesase shoot at me!" Earlier in the Kobol misadventure she'd been fine when they were under fire. I don't think her training extended to pointless suicide missions.
But yeah, Crashdown threatened to shoot her, then Tyrol threatened to shoot Crashdown, and then Baltar actually shot Crashdown. Because he's a doer. But everyone had flipped out by then; it's not like the guys were being all competent and calm until Cally ruined it for everyone. I mean, if Baltar's in a position to save the day, everyone else has really fallen down on the job.
tavella - Nov 12, 2007 6:35:03 am PST #8306 of 10001
There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists.
Not that I watched the episode, but my (very minor) experience has been that people do less panicking in stress situations than you'd think, as long as they have someone giving direction.
Jessica - Nov 12, 2007 6:35:26 am PST #8307 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
I mean, if Baltar's in a position to save the day, everyone else has really fallen down on the job.
HAHAHAHAHA. So very, very true.
sumi - Nov 12, 2007 6:35:52 am PST #8308 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!
tavella, that was the point: the guy who was supposed to command couldn't. Which is why they fragged him. And by "they" I mean Baltar.
Or were you talking about SGA?
Jessica - Nov 12, 2007 6:39:38 am PST #8309 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
I'd also argue that Baltar shooting Crashdown wasn't a case of him being all manly and self-controlled while everyone else fell to pieces, but of him freaking out in a different direction than the rest of the group. Normal people freak out and aim guns at people. Baltar freaks out and actually shoots them. That it turned out to be the helpful and pragmatic thing to do was more or less a coincidence.
Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 12, 2007 6:47:54 am PST #8310 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Not that I watched the episode, but my (very minor) experience has been that people do less panicking in stress situations than you'd think, as long as they have someone giving direction.
Amen. I have no illusions about not being in over my head if attacked by raging hordes of Warrant video extrasberserkers, but you'd better believe if I were in that sort of situation along with a shining pillar of tactical competence like Teyla who wasn't in over her head, all my instincts would flip over to Shut the Hell Up and Do Whatever She Tells Me To.
Fay - Nov 12, 2007 6:50:10 am PST #8311 of 10001
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.
I mean, if Baltar's in a position to save the day, everyone else has really fallen down on the job.
Okay, now that cracked my shit up.
Frankenbuddha - Nov 12, 2007 7:08:14 am PST #8312 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
NATLBSB
WindSparrow - Nov 12, 2007 7:31:14 am PST #8313 of 10001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.
A couple of scientists got their ass kicked by the Wraith in "The Defiant One."
Haven't seen that ep. but I don't think that precludes them having had a modicum of self-defense training. Are the Wraith supposed to be cream-puffs, or were those scientists shown to have a lower level of fighting skill than I have?
As for the examples of Rodney and Daniel - they at least have been shown to be such experts in their fields that they were worth putting on a team, even with the lack. I'm not convinced that Keller is. Daniel may not have been able to fight, but I do not recall him habitually panicking, let alone giving their position away by screaming. Part of being a doctor is learning to have a cool head, so this:
if I were in that sort of situation along with a shining pillar of tactical competence like Teyla who wasn't in over her head, all my instincts would flip over to Shut the Hell Up and Do Whatever She Tells Me To.would be the behavior one expects of a doctor with few survival/combat skills. So now I guess I'm wondering if Keller is supposed to have the vapors by character or if that was poorly-thought-through lazy-writer shorthand for "not prepared and out of her element". And now I'm flashing on Jessica Rabbit saying, "I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way."