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Torchwood's premiere did well:
BBC America said the premiere of Torchwood on Saturday night delivered the biggest audience of any drama premiere in the 58-million-subscriber network’s history.
The grownup science-fiction series, a spinoff of Russell T. Davies’s recent edition of Doctor Who, attracted 297,000 viewers at 9 p.m. ET and 6 p.m. PT in the target demographic of persons ages 25 to 54, network officials said.
That’s slightly ahead of how action drama Robin Hood performed when it premiered last year, at about the same rating (0.42). Viewer numbers were higher for Torchwood than Robin Hood because BBCA is in more homes now
EVERYONE IN TOWN. It's a town full of nerds - WHERE THE EVERLOVING FUCK ARE THE JEWS?
I don't think that building seats 3000. I'm not sure why I think that's Eureka's population, but is doesn't seat many more than the school play did, if that.
Eh. I don't know if the writers didn't think about it, didn't care, or think there's a perfectly good explanation. But I'd be startled if they were putting the whole town in that building.
Can I change CFerg's user name to "Hot Lunch"? It's a little too perfect.
And, okay, maybe just my issue, but EVERYONE IN TOWN. It's a town full of nerds - WHERE THE EVERLOVING FUCK ARE THE JEWS?
...and the pagans, and the atheists...
The sign did say the "First Church of Eureka". Mayhaps it's a special all purpose building and we just didn't see the other one stop parts of the "gathering?" Stranger things than that happen in Eureka.
I took her more for the "screw you, I'm smart enough to know that I'm damned good at what I do, and I enjoy what I do, and if you can't respect that, then you don't deserve what I have to offer in a relationship."
But indignation can only fight lonliness for so long. The thing about Jo that I can forgive is that she is young. It was very realistic for her to be lonely and isolated enough in that town (my god, who wouldn't be?), that she makes a judgment error and thinks maybe she needs to adjust if she is going to be with anyone there. (Wrong thinking, so don't yell...but realistic) I don't see her having a social network of women friends. In fact, I get the impression that she doesn't have much of a social network other than "everyone in town loves Jo" at all. That situation never ends well. Carter and Zoe are the only other civilians in town who can even relate to not being River-like in abilities.
It is also realistic for her to weaken, at this point, in the relationship and for the lonliness to be vulnerable to all the attention he is showing her. I can see her convincing herself maybe he's not really an ass, when yes, he is really an ass. That doesn't mean that after having a little human contact, she can't kick him to the curb, not being in a vulnerable state, and therefore redeeming herself by learning from the mistake.
Smarter, stronger, more self-confident women have made that mistake. The assasination of the character doesn't happen unless the writers drop this and there isn't a payoff with Jo having an epiphany, taking charge of the situation, and not for one minute regretting telling him to get lost. With a payoff, she becomes an example to young women everywhere of learning from her relationships and moving on with herself intact.
Rationalization is my friend. We do lunch.
Yeah, not so much with the Torchwood love myself either. I'm afraid I just couldn't get around Owen being just a reprehensible pig and the show having no underlying sense of humour. Just a wee smidge of not-taking-ourselves-TOO-seriously would have gone down a treat. (I was surprised, as it's one of the things I love best about Dr Who is the ability to put forth a serious subject in a not-humourless manner.)
Humorless? That wasn't Torchwood and you weren't watching at a Legion of Rassilon meeting.
I watched most of the first season of Torchwood, but I really thought it was unutterably bad. Just... bad. Bad writing, especially. Having people swear and have sex doesn't make it a 'grown-up' show. No matter how much sex it is they have.
you make some good points, Austin, but I can't shake the feeling that, while quirk, angst, ambiguously nefarious plotting work within the show, what they did with Jo isn't fitting for me. Maybe it's realistic, but it doesn't feel right, and I'm not much having with the faith that the writer's will have Jo see the light.
Another thing that bugged was the writer's trotting out the old stereotype that science and faith don't mix and perpetuating the misconception.
a.k.a. Magical.
Ick.
When I saw him healing Alison I immediately thought, "He's a black, autistic kid who understands things others can't and has magical healing powers. How did Cuba Gooding Jr. not snag this role?"
How did Cuba Gooding Jr. not snag this role?
... aaaaand I need a new monitor and keyboard.
perpetuating the misconception.
I thought the point of the ep was exactly the opposite.
