This girl at school? She told me that gelatin is made from ground-up cow's feet and that every time you eat Jell-O there's some cow out there limping around without any feet. But I told her that I'm sure the cow is dead before they cut its feet off, right?

Dawn ,'Never Leave Me'


Boxed Set, Vol. IV: It's always suicide-mission this, save-the-planet that.  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Jon B. - Apr 19, 2007 7:31:36 am PDT #602 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

You can make up your own interpretation if you like Dana; my take on it starts from the premise that the creators' interpretation is the only correct one. Given that, he's not choosing between "one reality and the other". He's choosing between reality and death. The only "mortal jeopardy" he left Annie in was the one where she was in a dream that he had awoken from.

I know I'm harping on this, but I don't believe that suicide is ever the answer when it comes to mental illness, and I especially don't think it was the answer in this case. So his girlfriend left him and his job is boring -- Oh Boo-fuckin'-hoo! Did he even try to get help for his depression? if he did, we're not shown it. We can only assume that he was depressed and, rather than get help, he jumped off a building hoping to go back to his fantasy world for a brief moment before he went splat. And the creators presented that as a happy ending. I think that's messed up.

None of this is to say that I didn't enjoy the show. I thought it was brilliantly done!


Dana - Apr 19, 2007 7:35:53 am PDT #603 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

my take on it starts from the premise that the creators' interpretation is the only correct one.

Yeah, whereas I'm all "authorial intent, piffle." I suspect it's the years of being an English major.


Dana - Apr 19, 2007 7:37:51 am PDT #604 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Oh, and I didn't know anything about this spinoff, and I don't think I'm pleased. For one thing, I'd have been just as happy to forget that Ray ever existed. And as cool as Gene Hunt is, I just don't know if it's going to work, putting him in a new context.

Hmph.


Toddson - Apr 19, 2007 8:24:26 am PDT #605 of 10001
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

y'know, I'd fallen waaaay behind in this thread. I come back and the first however-many-hundred posts are SPN W&P. I haven't been watching it this season, so I skipped and skimmed like crazy.

Perhaps a more appropriate title would have been Let The Flailing Begin!


§ ita § - Apr 19, 2007 11:32:19 am PDT #606 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm totally down with the authorial intent of LoM, although it took a while for the impact to sink in. Unlike Jon, I do believe that while suicide is never the happy ending, it's sometimes the least sad. Sometimes there is no way to make everyone happy, and he prioritised himself. However, he was also crazy by that point, I think, or perhaps just running scared. Why did his subconscious create such a violent and primal take on his day job for him? Why did it demand he excise that violence before waking up?

a more appropriate title would have been Let The Flailing Begin!

I like the flailing, but we are more than the flailing.


askye - Apr 19, 2007 4:00:50 pm PDT #607 of 10001
Thrive to spite them

New SPN! YAY!


Morgana - Apr 19, 2007 4:04:32 pm PDT #608 of 10001
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

No previouslies.


askye - Apr 19, 2007 4:05:15 pm PDT #609 of 10001
Thrive to spite them

Gilmore Girls HAH!! Loved the look on Jared's face.


SailAweigh - Apr 19, 2007 4:05:26 pm PDT #610 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Gilmore Girls! Heee.


askye - Apr 19, 2007 4:06:18 pm PDT #611 of 10001
Thrive to spite them

It's almost Canadian!

This is going to be FUN.