A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.
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Dean has tremendous empathy for small children and outsiders. He's not as good with normal humans, with their various layers of socialization and strange customs.
Yes, although in this particular episode, I think Dean empathized not just because Ronald was an outsider, but because Dean recognized Ronald was (a not pretty version of) Dean. He was a hunter -- just one who wasn't raised by one, and he didn't know what he was hunting, and he didn't know how to hunt. But he got everything right except the kind of creature that was committing the robberies and murders. He even pinpointed its lair. He was willing to go outside the law to stop it, when the law refused to see, and he was extraordinarily frustrated by the law, just as Dean is ('frigging cops').
Sam's better at the latter. He's got the toolset for normal human interaction, and has paid attention to the things Dean's never bothered with in that respect.
I find Sam's characterization a trifle inconsistent in spots. I'm not sure what it is, because he was certainly identified with the outsider, when the outsider was like him (the other chosen kid -- the one who was killing off his family -- I disremember the episode, but the kid's dad and uncle had been abusive).
I think Sam was running away from Dean just as much as he was from John.
I agree, even though I kind of want to smack him for it.
I agree with both of these things, even though I kind of get it. I think Sam was probably mostly running away from John-as-father, and the John-Dean relationship, more than actually from his brother Dean (if that makes any sense). Sam couldn't have that with his father, and he was mad that Dean did, both for good reasons (like wondering why Dean *never* ever questioned John) and bad (feeling left out, so acting in an alienating way to the people who were ready to die to keep him alive).
Sam won't break, although he (and we) may wish he did; instead he digs in, gets angry, pushes back. But he won't break. That's why he is, weirdly, so much more dangerous than Dean.
I never thought of it that way. And it rings true in a way that's a gut punch, because the demon wanted *him* after all.
I find Sam's characterization a trifle inconsistent in spots. I'm not sure what it is, because he was certainly identified with the outsider, when the outsider was like him (the other chosen kid -- the one who was killing off his family -- I disremember the episode, but the kid's dad and uncle had been abusive).
Nightmare. Max Miller. Man, Sam's realization about their connection gave me chills when I first saw it.
Yes, although in this particular episode, I think Dean empathized not just because Ronald was an outsider, but because Dean recognized Ronald was (a not pretty version of) Dean.
I think his affinity for Andy in Simon Said is for much the same reasons, and I think he empathizes with the outsider because he sees himself in them. (Andy, who has no real ambition but just to be, and despite limitless potential via his special status, is content to just kind of groove out in a cheesy van.)
Sam will destroy the world if he thinks it's the right thing to do--and he can. Sam won't break, although he (and we) may wish he did; instead he digs in, gets angry, pushes back. But he won't break. That's why he is, weirdly, so much more dangerous than Dean.
Word.
Sam will destroy the world if he thinks it's the right thing to do--and he can. Sam won't break, although he (and we) may wish he did; instead he digs in, gets angry, pushes back.
I wonder if this was why he was so freaked out about the demon's plans. Yes, part of it was certainly the fact that a demon was messing around with his life, but I wonder if part of it was that he knew what he might be capable of doing under the right circumstances.
OK, serious question here. Do the SPNers have a reason why they do NOT want a seprate thread for their show? Because I'm just about ready to propose one, but I hate the idea of proposing a thread for a show I don't watch (other than random episodes), but that I want to have the commentary of moved elsewhere. I have appeciated the links to skip the "re-watch and posts", but now it seems like the show can't be avoided here (or in other threads) even with that system.
The episodes I've seen I've liked but not loved, and the recent squeeing and flailing has made the signal to noise ratio in this thread a bit much for me. If I'm alone in this, that's OK - just say so. But I don't understand why a separate thread (especially with a new season coming) would be a BAD thing.
I think the last time the idea was brought up, we were still waiting to see if the show would be renewed or not.
I feel sort of guilty about it, Frank, mostly because I don't participate in any other discussion in here. I'll propose it if you want, because we're losing the Veronica Mars thread once the S3 DVDs are released.
I'll gladly second the proposal.
I have to peek in B'cracy and see how these things are worded.
Gee, it's sort of straightforward, huh? Off to propose.
You'll want to propose a NAFDA thread (no spoilers; no white font), that's about it, Amy. A single show thread is a pretty simple proposition. People are either going to be for it or against it.
