Don't belong. Dangerous, like you. Can't be controlled. Can't be trusted. Everyone could just go on without me and not have to worry. People could be what they wanted to be. Could be with the people they wanted. Live simple. No secrets.

River ,'Objects In Space'


Boxed Set, Vol. IV: It's always suicide-mission this, save-the-planet that.  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Kate P. - Jun 05, 2007 12:21:55 pm PDT #2305 of 10001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

( continues...) place where he belongs.)

I think what it comes down to, for me, is that, from Sam's perspective, there was enough ambiguity about his whole situation (was he crazy in 2006? crazy in 1973? in a coma? a time-traveller? an amnesiac DI from Hyde? who could see the future?) that I could see him not being sure anymore which reality was *most* real, and in the end, he had to go where he was going to be happiest. My own take on it is similar to ita's: that he was really in a coma in 2006, but by the time he got out of the coma, he'd been in there too long and was either brain-damaged, or crazy, or simply too attached to the world he'd created -- at any rate, he was no longer fit to go back to his old life. But I also agree with Dana, who said, "The creators claim that they never intended it to be ambiguous about whether he was actually mad, in a coma, or back in time, but I think the show itself never really answered that question, and I much prefer it that way." Because by the end, *from Sam's POV*, I think it was definitely unclear what the real explanation was, which is what allowed him to make the choice that he did.

Wow, I had a lot to say about that.


Sheryl - Jun 05, 2007 2:07:08 pm PDT #2306 of 10001
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

Being the slacker that I am, I just watched this past weekend's SG-1 and Atlantis. Unfortunately I had been spoiled for the latter by an idiot ficcer who put the info in their summary. Grr.


Dana - Jun 05, 2007 3:19:36 pm PDT #2307 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Unfortunately I had been spoiled for the latter by an idiot ficcer who put the info in their summary.

I'm astonished that anyone managed to remain unspoiled this long. I spoiled myself back when I saw a headline that said "SGA Cast Member Leaving Show!", because I had to know, but I would have been spoiled a million times over in addition to that.

People are idiots.


Sheryl - Jun 05, 2007 3:59:27 pm PDT #2308 of 10001
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

Oh, I knew about the casting changes, but didn't know how they would do things in-story.(I also know about the big casting spoiler for season 4 thanks to TVSquad)


JenP - Jun 05, 2007 4:25:31 pm PDT #2309 of 10001

I can't remember how I got spoiled, but I don't think I knew who it would be... but there were only so many choices, really. Then once the ep started, well, it was obvious.

Kate - re: LoM series finale: I made up my own interpretation for the end of LoM, (and, I think, in the process, dumbfounded Jon B with the extent of my la-la-la-la I can't hear you, living out here on the Nile - so pretty here!)

I agree that, narratively, it would have been hard to sell his ending up back in 2006 permanently, and I was happy that he ended up with his 70s peeps, too .


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 05, 2007 5:30:17 pm PDT #2310 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Did anyone else wonder where the doves were for Carson's big finish? I broke out laughing when I saw that patented power-walk-against-blooming-explosion background.


Kate P. - Jun 05, 2007 5:33:09 pm PDT #2311 of 10001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Hee, JenP! I saw your posts about your take on the finale, and, you know, I could totally buy that. Especially with that look that Dr. Morgan gives Sam as he's walking out of his room -- that's a very knowing look!


JenP - Jun 05, 2007 5:39:47 pm PDT #2312 of 10001

Exactly!


Jon B. - Jun 05, 2007 5:45:29 pm PDT #2313 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

LoM:

Kate write about what I wrote, "But would the ending have been satisfying, from a narrative perspective, if it showed Sam waking up in 2006, recovering from his injuries, getting some therapy, having a few brief interactions with characters we've never seen before, and deciding to stay there -- all in the span of about 10 minutes?"

That's a bit of a straw man argument, Kate. Those are hardly the only two options. If they were going to go that route the writers could have taken a lot more time with it. Also, I want to reiterate that I did think the ending was satifying from a narrative PoV. But it was also fucked up.


Beverly - Jun 05, 2007 5:49:12 pm PDT #2314 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Ailleann, thanks for the link! That was indeed the essay I was thinking of--not only that, it was the one that linked the Winchesters and the YED in a circular pattern of fatal flaw. I'd been trying to find that one--and had forgotten they are the same essay.