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Boxed Set, Vol. IV: It's always suicide-mission this, save-the-planet that.  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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Ailleann - May 18, 2007 4:30:04 pm PDT #1605 of 10001
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Agreed. In a fit of pique last night, I watched Phantom Traveler from S1, and there was a big difference in the mood. I kinda miss the weekly ass-kicking.


beathen - May 18, 2007 4:33:35 pm PDT #1606 of 10001
Sure I went over to the Dark Side, but just to pick up a few things.

Well, with these new demons unleashed on earth, I hope we get some more down and dirty ass-kicking. I do like the psychological games, but watching a character beating the crap out of another... even better!


P.M. Marc - May 18, 2007 5:33:47 pm PDT #1607 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I *love* that they ended the season on what counts as an upnote, with callbacks to the pilot. It sure as hell feels like they're aiming for less overt emo next season from the last few minutes.

I know there are good, legit crits of the finale, but I fear Kripke and I are not only the same age (a fact that still freaks me out), but we share the same damn emotional buttons.

Remember that whole firewall of flail thing?

Yeah. That.

Critical thinking just can't get past the thing today.


SailAweigh - May 18, 2007 5:41:30 pm PDT #1608 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

I am as Ple. I can see half a football field of loose plot through the holes in it, but the flail has driven enough of the air away from the brain that all I feel is the manpain before I reach oblivion. Nirvana.


§ ita § - May 18, 2007 6:14:42 pm PDT #1609 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

They're going! On the road! ::ita claps merrily:: To kill things!

They can be emo a bit if they want, but Dean looked so damned happy to have something to do so he can just not talk about the deal.

Yay.


P.M. Marc - May 18, 2007 6:17:31 pm PDT #1610 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I am as Ple. I can see half a football field of loose plot through the holes in it, but the flail has driven enough of the air away from the brain that all I feel is the manpain before I reach oblivion. Nirvana.

Exactly. There's comic book logic, gaping plot holes, and yet... I... I...

I don't CARE!

I mean, intellectually, I agree with most of the criticism I've seen leveled. But the firewall catches those thoughts, and it hits Does Not Compute instead.

I say most, because the one thing I've seen repeatedly that I do strongly, strongly disagree with is that there wasn't a narrative need to have Bobby and Sam explicitly state to Dean that he does, in fact, have worth outside of his self-defined role. I swear I've had this conversation before, but there are some characters who really do need anvil-sized cluestick interventions, and Dean Winchester is one of those characters.


§ ita § - May 18, 2007 6:20:12 pm PDT #1611 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Dean is so totally that guy. And you know what? He still doesn't buy it. But it doesn't mean you don't try.


Consuela - May 18, 2007 6:45:18 pm PDT #1612 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I suppose you may be right, Plei, but three times in one episode is too much.


P.M. Marc - May 18, 2007 7:09:11 pm PDT #1613 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I will grudgingly admit we could've lost the YED's, except that then I'd probably feel that the YED's characterization felt off, on account of failure to taunt.

But Bobby and Sam's were essential.


Consuela - May 18, 2007 9:08:42 pm PDT #1614 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

In other news, SG-1 tonight was MARVELOUS.

I love the Cam-and-Vala show, and it's nothing like the John-and-Aeryn show. And Teal'c looming genially, and Josh Molina (!), and Daniel saying "hooped!" and everything.

It's the story Nutty has said for years they needed, where they come through in the middle of a museum, minus the kindergarteners. And I adore that Ben Browder helped come up with it. It's funny and suspenseful and has such good character bits in it.