When do people think Eva turned evil?

Was it right after she left Sam in Hunted (meaning she was probably the one who killed her fiance), or did she get taken to CreepyAssTown, SD and then turn evil?

But how would Ava have survived there for five months, on her own? I get her killing any others who showed up, but she is still human -- what the hell did she eat? Her reveal, now that I think about it, was poorly done, because now I don't know if she *knew* her fiancee was dead or what.

Also, I have to say, in the first episode she was in, when Sam and Dean found her fiancee and all the blood and her ring, I immediately thought Ava *was* a demon, or in league with one.

The Dead Lesbian pinged me a little bit, but Jake as the ultimate strength didn't, because I read him much more as *soldier* than as black.

But how would Ava have survived there for five months, on her own? I get her killing any others who showed up, but she is still human -- what the hell did she eat? Her reveal, now that I think about it, was poorly done, because now I don't know if she *knew* her fiancee was dead or what.

I like the idea of Ava's reveal, but how it was handled was poorly executed now that I'm looking at it in the harsh light of dawn. How hard would it have been for her to "accidentally" led the others to a stash of food, or to toss a wee (very wee) bit of exposition into the reveal.

I had been hoping for some sort of killer montage (a la "Carry on My Wayward Son") at the beginning of this ep, but I have a feeling that we'll have something at the beginning of next week's ep. I also have a feeling that it will make me cry. (If they ever, for any reason, do a montage to "Desperado" I think I will drown in my own tears - that song is an automatic cry-trigger for me.)

I was pinged by Jake's strength as well because up to now all the psychic abilities have been just that, psychic. Visions and telekinesis and forms of telepathy and so forth: not superhero-dom. Not physical. Making the black guy the super-strong guy was bothersome to me, and it's not like they couldn't have come up with an ability for him that would have made him just as dangerous--he could have been a teek too, or something.

Was nice to see Voodoo again, though.

I will be very cranky if Ellen is dead.

If they ever, for any reason, do a montage to "Desperado" I think I will drown in my own tears

Oh good god, Anne, you're right. Although it's not the style of song they usually pick. OTOH I would not have expected them to use Boston, either. So.

And killed off-screen, too.

The fact that we got a shot of Ash's watch, to make identification of his corpse easier pings me that it's a mislead. After all, he could have lost it on a pool bet.

Even if they match his dental records, I could be persuaded that he switched the files at the dentist's office to throw off investigators.

How reliable a narrator do we think the YED was being when he showed Sam his babyhood?

As I said above, demons lie. My story and I'm sticking to it.

we got a shot of Ash's watch, to make identification of his corpse easier pings me that it's a mislead.

Oh, I hope so. I really, really do.

I don't see how Andy can be rescued/resurrected, but I want that to happen.

Since they didn't find Ellen's body, I'm clinging to belief that she got out and is okay. Also, Kripke? Step away from Singer. IJS. Don't even think about it.

I believe Dean will bring Sam back somehow, but I couldn't stand it if they lose Bobby.

It could also be a standard-issue Hunter(tm) watch with a built-in demon detector that the Winchester Boys don't know about....

Because Minorities Can Not Be Trusted and it's always possible they will Stab You In The Not-Metaphorical Back.

The woman betrayed too, and it was a bigger betrayal. I don't think you can pin all that onn the character.

What I did like about Jake was that he was the most sensible of the bunch, when presented with startling news.

I'd love to know what the YED said to everyone--I'm guessing it didn't talk to Andy before he bit it.

I believe Dean will bring Sam back somehow, but I couldn't stand it if they lose Bobby.

If Dean lost Bobby after all this, I wouldn't fault him at all for putting a pistol to his head. Or, you know, destroying the YED with pure rage. (Mmm... rage...)