Tracy: Well-- That call -- That call means you just murdered me. Mal: No, son. You murdered yourself. I just carried the bullet a while.

'The Message'


Natter Area 51: The Truthiness Is in Here  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Dana - May 21, 2007 9:58:38 am PDT #8481 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

I mean, it's creeping me out, big time. But do you think they don't quite get it? It seems like they're almost purposefully tripping over every single rule of netiquette regarding fic and fandom, seriously.

I think they either don't understand how my particular segment of fandom works (predominantely female, mostly LJ-based, slash-friendly, community-oriented), or we were never their target audience to begin with.

After reading posts over at the official forum, I'll say that I don't think they're evil guys, and I do believe them when they say they're fans. But nothing I've seen from them -- posts from founders or employees, ads, FAQ, ToS -- absolutely nothing makes me want to involve myself with them, and I would discourage anyone I know from posting there.

This is completely aside from the gender issues involved, which are driving me fucking nuts.


Jesse - May 21, 2007 10:02:10 am PDT #8482 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

ETA: or 7, I am possibly the LEAST mathy of all Buffistas.

Heh.


Ailleann - May 21, 2007 10:04:22 am PDT #8483 of 10001
vanguard of the socialist Hollywood liberal homosexualist agenda

This is completely aside from the gender issues involved, which are driving me fucking nuts.

Any interest in summing up, for those avoiding like the plague for fear of aneurysm and in favor of reading fic instead?


§ ita § - May 21, 2007 10:06:10 am PDT #8484 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

So is there a big hidden cadre of males in fandom? I mean, I know guys are fans (and hugely fervent ones), but because of where I hang out, it's mostly women I see dissecting on both meta and show/book levels, not to mention ficcing and vidding and the like.

Where are the guys who are doing this? I want to see.

Also, are there other activities (like cosplay, maybe) that compose the typical male fandom task list?


flea - May 21, 2007 10:07:43 am PDT #8485 of 10001
information libertarian

I devoutly hope cosplay has nothing to do with figgy pudding.


bon bon - May 21, 2007 10:08:32 am PDT #8486 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Maybe their business model is based on an impression of an underserved community. I mean, I know nothing, but I could easily see that being something that could get funding.


Trudy Booth - May 21, 2007 10:10:10 am PDT #8487 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I think it's a school rule.

Pfft. Whaddare they gonna do?


sumi - May 21, 2007 10:10:29 am PDT #8488 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Aww, look at the handsome young hound from yesterday's Daily Puppy.

(I signed up for the Daily Puppy weeks and weeks ago and apparently, they just started sending me notifications this weekend. Weird, no?)


Matt the Bruins fan - May 21, 2007 10:10:45 am PDT #8489 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

icarusancalion put together a summary of the FanLib situation here: [link]

In other news, I made a mom go ballistic at the pharmacy by saying "calm down, kid" to her precious angel as he was running, yelling inarticulately, and swatting at objects on shelves above his head. Apparently it's a faux-pass to try head off tantrums that 6 or 7 year-olds are throwing while their mothers blithely ignore them from across the room. Who knew?


Dana - May 21, 2007 10:12:40 am PDT #8490 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Any interest in summing up, for those avoiding like the plague for fear of aneurysm and in favor of reading fic instead?

Hold on, let me dial my sarcasm level down to around three or four instead of eleven...

Looking at the FanLib FAQ and "About Us" ("Our mission is to bring fan fiction out of the shadows and into the limelight.") gives me the impression that the FanLib creators believe that fandom has been unable to figure out how to either legitimize or commercialize fan fiction.

Historically, fic writers have been female. It's certainly true of the initial wave of fanfic, dating from the Trek era. My segment of fandom, still overwhelmingly female. Slash writers, overwhelmingly female.

The FanLib board of directors? All male, and none of them have any established cred in the fan fiction world that I'm aware of.

So the whole thing reads to me like a group of rich white guys who secured $3 million in venture capital so they could swoop in on an unexploited source of revenue and profit off of (mostly) female fans' work.