Lindsey: Why--why did you... Lorne: One last job. You're not part of the solution, Lindsey. You never will be. Lindsey: You kill me? A flunky?! I'm not just...Angel...kills me. You...Angel... Lorne: Good night, folks.

'Not Fade Away'


Natter Area 51: The Truthiness Is in Here  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


megan walker - May 18, 2007 11:16:21 am PDT #8140 of 10001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

Any chance I'll get to see you when you're in NY?

Skipping ahead to say that I wasn't ignoring you Tom, I lost my wireless at home just after posting that. Yes, there's every chance we can meet up. I get in Friday night (June 8) for the party, but then I'll have Saturday and much of Sunday in town. I'm staying with the boys in Cobble Hill so I'll be right nearby. I'll email once the dates get closer.


§ ita § - May 18, 2007 11:17:55 am PDT #8141 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think that human life is valuable and should not be harmed without a gravely serious reason.

What is a gravely serious reason? I mean, do you think that a violent criminal never abjures himself of this contract? Even if it's [insert vulnerable dear one here]?

I admire their willingness to put their bodies in the (literal) line of fire in order to protect the innocent.

I know you know you can accomplish that without being a pacifist, but what about the idea that you might more effectively protect the innocent (at least from immediate harm) by use of force?

Okay...I see that you would fight on someone else's behalf. Just not for your own? How does that shake down? I mean, are you less valuable than your SO? Would defending yourself leave a taint that defending him wouldn't?

I ask, not to judge, but because I consider self defense to be morally the same when say, avoiding rape.

Krav training is consensual violence, at least as much as hockey. It's framed as self defense, but you don't have to intend to use it as such to do any of it.

Teaching (and even training in) krav has totally shifted how I think of the police. For good and for ill. It's just different.

bon, it's NSM that I'm training with cops so much as helping train them to do their jobs that I thought might be a factor. My part time job is all jammed up with enhancing law enforcement's ability to fulfill its goals.

None of them spoke English -- not the defendant, or any of the first three people who testified, who were the daughter (20), the niece (16), and the victim (40).

Sheeit. So the woman who was (allegedly) raped had to do this all through interpreters too? What a horrific mess.


Dana - May 18, 2007 11:19:11 am PDT #8142 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

We heard from the guy who had taken an oral swab of the defendant's mouth. (Which apparently is just like they show it on CSI, except better lit.)

We heard from the policeman who (I think) spoke to the victim at the hospital, and who definitely showed her the photo spread.

I think that's most or all of the witnesses we heard from the first day. The prosecution rested, and we were sent home.

The next morning, we walked in, and the defense rested without putting any witnesses on the stand. The defense lawyer had cross-examined several of the prosecution's witnesses. He pointed out the fact that the apartment was dark, since it was 3AM and the lights were off. He gave the DNA technician some hell about the widely publicized problems the Houston crime lab had in the recent past. He pointed out that of the six pictures in the photo spread, the defendant's was the darkest in terms of background.

We were pretty damn surprised that they rested without putting on a case, at least I was. At that point, we were read the charges, and the attorneys made their arguments.

The defense said that identification rested on a questionable photo spread, and an eyewitness account from a year and a half ago (when the crime occurred). The apartment was dark, things happened quickly. As for DNA, the lab had had plenty of problems before, where cases had to be overturned and tests had to be outsourced.

The prosecution said that if we believed the victim, there was no question that the defendant was guilty.

We went out into the jury room. It took about ten minutes for us to agree he was guilty. This was midmorning Thursday, and we moved on to the punishment phase.


Dana - May 18, 2007 11:20:51 am PDT #8143 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Sheeit. So the woman who was (allegedly) raped had to do this all through interpreters too? What a horrific mess.

Yeah. The interpreter was in the room, speaking into a mike, and the defendant had headphones on. When Spanish-speaking witnesses were on the stand, the translator stood next to them, and the headphones came off. He was very good. That's got to be a difficult job.


Allyson - May 18, 2007 11:24:19 am PDT #8144 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Boo hoo. I forgot to bring my leftover Indian food for lunch. Now, Hungry and Lazy are in a fight to the death. I don't want to go get something, but my stomach is screaming.

Also, they put cilantro on my garlic basil naan with NO WARNING.


§ ita § - May 18, 2007 11:27:07 am PDT #8145 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm going to grab some fries (my gorge rose just typing that and I had difficulty swallowing the water for my pills) under the theory that if I can't eat them, I can't eat anything and might as well crawl under a rock and wither away.

Yeah. Exactly.

Though I do wish someone would bring me naan.


P.M. Marc - May 18, 2007 11:28:33 am PDT #8146 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Also, they put cilantro on my garlic basil naan with NO WARNING.

Bastards!


sarameg - May 18, 2007 11:29:50 am PDT #8147 of 10001

Maybe Hungry can kill Lazy and cannibalize....ok, that just sounds weird.


Daisy Jane - May 18, 2007 11:30:49 am PDT #8148 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

mmmmm, cilantro. I had cilantrolicious salsa today at lunch.


Lee - May 18, 2007 11:31:13 am PDT #8149 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Also, they put cilantro on my garlic basil naan with NO WARNING.

Even as a cilantro fan, that seems wrong.