Angel: Will you just shut up for once?! Illyria: What? Angel: My God, the speechifying. Has it ever occurred to you that now might not be the best time for when-we-were-muck stories?

'Time Bomb'


Natter Area 51: The Truthiness Is in Here  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Sean K - Apr 13, 2007 9:05:20 am PDT #2411 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Oh, I'd totally watch that show, Jess and Jesse.


Sean K - Apr 13, 2007 9:07:48 am PDT #2412 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

I haven't been watching Shear Genius because the promos made it look unbelievably lame. (Not that that stopped me from watching Top Design, but I have to draw the line somewhere, right?)

I think you should give it a chance. I'm liking it much better than Top Design, plus.... horrible things done to people's heads!!!


Vortex - Apr 13, 2007 9:09:33 am PDT #2413 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Plus, in what seemed like a VERY subjective contest, the contestants were being judged by three people with the most startlingly atrocious taste in personal style. I would never take a criticism from any one of those people seriously. I'd laugh at them and point at his or her wardrobe and hair style.

AMEN. I could never take Kelly Wearstler seriously. I mean, remember the 80's prom dress over the tight jeans and stilletto heels? I had to gird my loins everytime she would first appear.

Also, the judges allowed their personal style and preferences to overly inform their decisions. I knew that Matt was going to win the finale because they would just like what he did better, because his aesthetic was in line with their own. They recognized that Carissa had talent, but they were never going to love her apartment. The only way she would have won is if he had screwed up majorly.

Although Margaret was always classily dressed.

You know what I don't understand about the Top Design complaints? People who don't like Todd Oldham and/or Jonathan Adler. If anything, I just wanted MORE of those two crazy gays.

I hated them both. Todd Oldham always sounded like he was reading from a script, I hate that. When he was one on one with the designers, really talking, I liked him. When he was "on", it was horrible. And you could tell the difference easily.

I hated Jonathan Adler's ties and lack of socks. LA or not, if you are wearing a tie, you should be wearing socks. Plus, his patterns were crazy, and not always complimentary (IMHO). The "see you later decorator" was STUPID. Maybe the reason that he couldn't sell it is that he thought so, too, but it should have been eliminated. if you catch phrase sucks, get a new one, or don't use one.


shrift - Apr 13, 2007 9:11:40 am PDT #2414 of 10001
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

Man, I knew I was going to be cranky today because I'm a moron who doesn't go to bed when she should, but you guys, just now I basically turned to myself and said, "Dude. You must chill."


Amy - Apr 13, 2007 9:14:01 am PDT #2415 of 10001
Because books.

Top Design was destined to be less successful, I think -- at least with Top Chef, the final criteria, if nothing else, is going to be if it's edible. And with Runway, it's not going to matter how innovative a dress is if it makes the model look like a cow, or falls apart on the Runway. Interior design is a lot more subjective, unless you designed a room with, like, nowhere to sit or something, or a table suspended from the ceiling.

I liked the judge on Shear Genius, Sally Whatever. And the look on Frederick Fekkai's face when some of the models came out was priceless.


Vortex - Apr 13, 2007 9:19:02 am PDT #2416 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Interior design is a lot more subjective, unless you designed a room with, like, nowhere to sit or something, or a table suspended from the ceiling.

yes, this. It shouldn't have mattered if the judges liked it, if the client did. and all of the team challenges were irritating. Yes, you have to learn to work with other people, but you also tend to be able to choose the people you work with.


Steph L. - Apr 13, 2007 9:20:15 am PDT #2417 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I've been told by New Yorkers that blueberries are NOT for bagels.

Is it time to re-tell the story of Breakfast At Panera at the first F2F?


Sean K - Apr 13, 2007 9:21:01 am PDT #2418 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Although Margaret was always classily dressed.

Yeah, Margaret could dress herself, but she was the worst offender on, as you say, letting her personal preferences overly inform her decision. Plus, I felt like on more than one episode, I caught her applying one aesthetic standard to one design, then criticizing another design using exactly the opposite aesthetic standard.


Vortex - Apr 13, 2007 9:22:08 am PDT #2419 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Yeah, Margaret could dress herself, but she was the worst offender on, as you say, letting her personal preferences overly inform her decision.

you're right. I think that she was also the kind of person who would let her personal feelings for a designer affect a decision.


Amy - Apr 13, 2007 9:22:21 am PDT #2420 of 10001
Because books.

Yes, you have to learn to work with other people, but you also tend to be able to choose the people you work with.

Exactly. The team challenges are always weird, because everyone wants to win, and everyone wants to shine, and in a team someone is always going to have to take a backseat. Especially on Top Design, it seemed ludicrous -- if someone wants to do mid-century modern, and someone else imagined Arts and Crafts, how do you make that work? At least with food, you can all agree on, say, chicken, and go from there.