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§ ita § - May 08, 2006 7:26:21 am PDT #9517 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Wikipedia's entry on Women In Refrigerators.

eta: By the definition in that article, Lois's death counts, but I think that since Superman's death counts too, and that Lois's life had always been his motivating factor, it's hardly out of left field or out of context for the story.


Polter-Cow - May 08, 2006 7:33:05 am PDT #9518 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

And I finished The Wake. I really liked the art; it was like colored charcoal.

It, appropriately, had a very denouement feeling, and I liked the way it dealt with some of the consequences of having a new Dream, in that it's hard to accept him. It's hard to accept the other denizens of the Dreaming who were brought back as well. Their very existence pokes at the nature of identity and the idea that death defines life. Poor Fiddler's Green, who merely wants to rest in peace.

I love Delirium. And the word "forgettery."

Matthew is awesome. Best talking bird ever!

So the first Despair was killed a long, long time ago, huh? I wonder how that happened. Now I understand the bit about Despair "becoming" Desire's twin: they were always twins, of course, but the "becoming" part was referring to the new Despair taking over.

Ha! The chick who dumped Dream and forced him into Brief Lives was THESSALY?!

And oh! Aw! Destruction showed up!! I mean, he didn't show up, show up, but he stopped by. I like Destruction for some reason, even though we don't see much of him.

The wake and funeral were both very lovely. I think it was exactly what the story deserved, if that makes any sense. It felt right. Even the breaking of the fourth wall to include the reader in the ceremony.

I don't understand why Gaiman wrote two extra issues after it, though. "Exiles" was better than "Soft Places," and I must say, it was nice to see the old Dream again for a bit, but "The Wake" closed things out so nicely it didn't feel necessary. "The Tempest" was better than "Midsummer Night's Dream," even though I don't really care for The Tempest. And I do wonder whether the Guy Fawkes thing was a V for Vendetta shout-out. Since I am a Shakespeare fan, it was cool to have an issue with him as the main character. Still odd as the final issue of the series, though. Or maybe not so odd. It's a bittersweet tale because we see that Dream, even 300 years ago, was so very trapped by his sense of responsibility. He will never leave his island. And it takes 60 years of hardcore captivity to give him the perspective that leads to his way off the island.

I have now read Sandman. I feel enriched and cool.


Frankenbuddha - May 08, 2006 7:37:56 am PDT #9519 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Thanks for the link - I really should remember Wikipedia as a info source.

So the death of Tara isn't technically a refrigerator death, because Willow's not a male superhero, but it's pretty damn close. Closer conceptually than it is to the "dead lesbian cliche" that got brought up at the time.

Heh, and I just realized that ALIAS is built on a reverse-fridge death.


Frankenbuddha - May 08, 2006 7:41:56 am PDT #9520 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Ha! The chick who dumped Dream and forced him into Brief Lives was THESSALY?!

Does Victor know about this?

I have now read Sandman.

Actually, in addition to the two Death on-off paperbacks, there's another Sandman book that Gaiman wrote where different artists tackle a story for a different eternal.


§ ita § - May 08, 2006 7:45:34 am PDT #9521 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think the trope ends up being a chick dying to motivate a guy because our heroes are guys. So don't fight the deaths of the women--fight their non-heroness. Also, the gender of a character has very little to do with how much I like them. And I hate the premise that it should. Just write characters well, and I'll be there.


Polter-Cow - May 08, 2006 7:56:31 am PDT #9522 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

there's another Sandman book that Gaiman wrote where different artists tackle a story for a different eternal.

Yeah, Endless Nights. I'll have to check that out too sometime.


§ ita § - May 08, 2006 8:00:49 am PDT #9523 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'll have to check that out too sometime.

It's hit and miss, but the guy who did Destiny (my memory fails me) took my breatha way.


Hayden - May 08, 2006 8:14:25 am PDT #9524 of 10000
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

There's a Dream story with a Japanese artist that's just freakin' gorgeous, too.


Polter-Cow - May 08, 2006 8:16:42 am PDT #9525 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Dream Hunters. I saw that in the library but didn't know if it was worth getting. It seemed like most of the one-shots I didn't really like.


Hayden - May 08, 2006 8:19:57 am PDT #9526 of 10000
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

It's worth a check-out from the library. I bought it, but haven't ever re-read it.