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DavidS - Aug 29, 2005 12:11:11 pm PDT #8630 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Huh. Here's Willingham's own post in reponse at Fabletown.com. He's a prick.

xpost.

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Yes, deliberately withholding treatment, except in the context of a legitimate triage decision, is quite the unequivocal violation of the Hippocratic oath. In a court of law one could reasonably expect to be found guilty of murder.

Seems like Leslie snapped. Seems like Batman doesn't like her much anymore (though he still couldn't bring himself to be the one who brought her in).

After this issue came out, I took a rare tour of other message boards to try to gauge what the general reaction might be. As expected, it was overwhelmingly negative, with lots of "how dare Willingham do this!" What I didn't expect is how much message traffic this book would generate. Message boards that might have one or two regulars post every few days, or so, suddenly exploded with five and six pages of new messages per day.

Here's something you readers need to realize: Though we generally hope readers will like our stories, hating them is almost as good. Hating them so much that yours is the one book everyone is talking about now -- well that's golden. One can't hate without passion and involvement. The one reaction we most fear is indifference.

Yes, I'm a little put out by the (at least three and counting) reputedly male readers who posted testimony that they wept after reading this issue (one claiming it was for the loss of innocence). Not that I believe they actually did. But I'm still from an early enough American generation to find men claiming to act like overly dramatic little girls just a little bit cringe-making.

And of course there were scores of those claiming that this incident was the last straw and they're giving up my books, or the Bat books, or all comic books, forever. Here's a splash of water for everyone who ever has or ever will make such an hysterical claim on a message board: We never believe you. If you're the type to indulge in "how dare they do that!" we know you'll always be back for further outrages. Those addicted to indignation need constant indignation feeding.

But, that aside, all is good. Feel free to blame me for ruining Batman. I could claim that editorial mandates were in force here and thereby split the blame a bit, but I think this time I won't. I willingly took the job, and I'm too greedy to want to share the credit this time.

How do you like them apples?


§ ita § - Aug 29, 2005 12:14:48 pm PDT #8631 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Did this come out last week? If so, you need to whitefont the first two paragraphs, Hec.


sumi - Aug 29, 2005 12:17:33 pm PDT #8632 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

Yes.


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 29, 2005 12:18:25 pm PDT #8633 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Huh. Here's Willingham's own post in reponse at Fabletown.com. He's a prick.

This would be why I've avoided most of his work like the plague since Elementals. Bad writers can occasionally get better, but hateful writers with contempt for their readers and the work of the writers that preceded them never do.


Tom Scola - Aug 29, 2005 12:19:56 pm PDT #8634 of 10000
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Wow.

And if even half of those Infinite Crisis spoilers in that LJ thread turn out to be true... I've never seen a company go to such great lengths to piss off their customers before.


§ ita § - Aug 29, 2005 12:23:54 pm PDT #8635 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Is it possible for them to put Batgirl in a little continuity bubble so I can keep reading? I like other DC titles, but that's the one I love.

And now I'm going to be looking angrily at my Fables.


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 29, 2005 12:28:19 pm PDT #8636 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I suppose I should abandon my practice of buying Days of Vengeance to point and laugh mockingly, as DC's impression is that I like it enough to keep buying.


P.M. Marc - Aug 29, 2005 12:38:32 pm PDT #8637 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

This:

But I'm still from an early enough American generation to find men claiming to act like overly dramatic little girls just a little bit cringe-making.

Continues to chafe my snatch.

I'm trying to figure out the Ultimate Combo of Offense. Right now, I've got Willingham writing, Byrne drawing... who else do I need to add?


§ ita § - Aug 29, 2005 12:39:48 pm PDT #8638 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

My ultimate combo of offense involves .. well, Liefeld getting paid to do anything other than bring (note I did not say make) coffee in the comic industry. All else pales.


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 29, 2005 12:40:05 pm PDT #8639 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I'm trying to figure out the Ultimate Combo of Offense. Right now, I've got Willingham writing, Byrne drawing... who else do I need to add?

Kevin Dooley editing so there are girlfriends-in-refrigerators aplenty?