The girl's not playing with a full deck, Giles. She has almost no deck. She has a three.

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Steph L. - Aug 26, 2005 11:34:11 am PDT #8602 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

As a female, I feel like a disposable consumer these days.

As a critical reader with a brain, who respects continuity of character*, I feel like a disposable consumer.

*(And while Willingham is by FAR the worst offender in the "Characterization? What Characterization?" debacle of self-aggrandizing wankery, he is, unfortunately, by no means the *only* DC writer who has decided that continuity of character doesn't mean a damn.)


§ ita § - Aug 26, 2005 11:34:59 am PDT #8603 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Can you whitefont what happened in the issue?


Steph L. - Aug 26, 2005 11:37:39 am PDT #8604 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Batman #644 was the conclusion of the 4-issue "War Crimes" crossover (2 issues each of Batman and .... 'Tec, I think), which dealt with the question "Did Steph have to die from her Black Mask-inflicted injuries, and if not, then whodunnit?"

We find out that Leslie (and here I'm including nonsense text so that the spoiler space doesn't give away whodunnit just by the shortness of her name) did it. No, really.

I don't have enough incoherent rage in me to convey how totally totally fucked that is. I'm not sure I've ever seen another character in any fictional medium act MORE out of character.


§ ita § - Aug 26, 2005 11:38:52 am PDT #8605 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But she's ... she's ... she's gooder than good, isn't she? Definitely more uncomplicatedly good than Bats, right?

Can it be a mislead?


sumi - Aug 26, 2005 11:44:19 am PDT #8606 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

Uh, no. The person mentioned confesses.

It's insane.

But true.


Steph L. - Aug 26, 2005 11:44:48 am PDT #8607 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

It sure doesn't seem like a mislead.

This is the explanation, as stated by the character: Leslie withheld treatment that would have saved Steph because she (Leslie) had finally had enough of the caped crusader bullshit and so she wanted to make a point to Bruce.

Okay. How many ways is that 100% out of character?

1. She's a DOCTOR -- do the words "Hippocratic oath" mean nothing?

2. Clearly DC Editorial has chosen to forget all of NML, when Leslie risked her own fucking LIFE rather than allow Zsasz to be killed -- so, DC Editorial is saying that she'd protect a serial killer but allow a teenage girl to die?

3. Leslie would NEVER kill someone to make the point that the caped crusader lifestyle is dangerous. NEVER.


§ ita § - Aug 26, 2005 11:45:13 am PDT #8608 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Since I haven't read the issue, it's simple enough for me to believe it a bald-faced lie.

So I shall.


§ ita § - Aug 26, 2005 11:47:00 am PDT #8609 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Steph, I'd add #4 -- How was that going to work??? It's not just OOC for the action, but to me it looks OOC a) for Batman it really worked or b) for her if she thought it would and it didn't.

Did it work?


P.M. Marc - Aug 26, 2005 11:48:12 am PDT #8610 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Nope. Didn't work.

I mean, Jesus. She knows who he is. She wants him to stop, all she has to do is turn his ass in.


sumi - Aug 26, 2005 11:48:58 am PDT #8611 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

Yes! What Pleides said.

It's stupid.