I'm mostly with Steph. The act of being able to be cowl-less with a given person is meaningful in defining the relationship between them, but he's still the same guy.
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§ ita § - Feb 16, 2005 4:19:22 am PST #7527 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Steph L. - Feb 16, 2005 4:20:59 am PST #7528 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism
The act of being able to be cowl-less with a given person is meaningful in defining the relationship between them
I think it's meaningful to Bruce, and I think that the Batcrew gets that it's meaningful to Bruce, but I think the Batcrew still sees no difference (or very very very little) between cowl on and cowl off.
§ ita § - Feb 16, 2005 4:21:50 am PST #7529 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Well, defining in the sense of "you know who I am, REALLY know." But that's about it. It's an acknowledgment of a degree of trust.
Topic!Cindy - Feb 16, 2005 4:26:13 am PST #7530 of 10000
What is even happening?
I have no recent comics canon under my belt. If I have any, it's been forgotten over the ~25 years since I read a comic, so pardon my talking out of what is most assuredly my arse.
That said, wouldn't that be the moment when he's at his most fully integrated? I've always taken him to be a headcase, and in a Dustin Hoffman-all-method-all-the-time way. Civilian Bruce has a secret, and so adopts a metaphorical mask. Batman has a secret, and wears a literal mask. BruceMan in suit without cowl--that's when he can be fully himself, and not pretend he's not Bruce, and not pretend he's not Batman.
§ ita § - Feb 16, 2005 4:28:49 am PST #7531 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I don't think being fully integrated is a defining characteristic of this guy.
Tom Scola - Feb 16, 2005 4:30:29 am PST #7532 of 10000
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.
When he's Batman, he's not pretending anything.
Steph L. - Feb 16, 2005 4:39:11 am PST #7533 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism
I don't think being fully integrated is a defining characteristic of this guy.
Two-face seems to have it together a lot better than Batman does, some times.
P.M. Marc - Feb 16, 2005 6:33:07 am PST #7534 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
I think it's meaningful to Bruce, and I think that the Batcrew gets that it's meaningful to Bruce, but I think the Batcrew still sees no difference (or very very very little) between cowl on and cowl off.
Oh, I think the Batcrew see a difference with the cowl off, if only because if they already know his ID, that almost always means, "Shit, Bruce wants to talk about his EMOTIONS."
The big goon. (Of course, now I'm picturing the Batcrew's eyes getting a little bit wide and darting back and forth in search of an escape route when Bruce reaches for the cowl, and the thought is making me giggle.)
Steph L. - Feb 16, 2005 6:37:47 am PST #7535 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism
I think that the Batcrew gets that it's meaningful to Bruce, but I think the Batcrew still sees no difference (or very very very little) between cowl on and cowl off.
Oh, I think the Batcrew see a difference with the cowl off, if only because if they already know his ID, that almost always means, "Shit, Bruce wants to talk about his EMOTIONS."
We're saying the same thing here, I think.
(Of course, now I'm picturing the Batcrew's eyes getting a little bit wide and darting back and forth in search of an escape route when Bruce reaches for the cowl, and the thought is making me giggle.)
Didn't they do this when Bruce actually *apologized* in Fugitive?
All the Batbooks I've read haven't explicitly shown Bruce and Selina either getting into bed or out of bed, but I'm assuming they have had Teh Sex, yes?
amych - Feb 16, 2005 6:53:43 am PST #7536 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?
"Shit, Bruce wants to talk about his EMOTIONS."
snerk. giggle. BWAH!