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Discussion of Buffy and Angel comics, books, and more. Please don't get into spoilery details in the first week of release.


Topic!Cindy - Feb 13, 2005 2:56:36 am PST #7495 of 10000
What is even happening?

Busting in to ask a question. Ben watches Static Shock, and Batman makes an occasional crossover. Ben wants to know why Batman is always so grumpy. He watches JLU, once in a while, but hasn't seen enough to get a feel for Batman's personality from it.

I don't want to mess up canon for him. Is the story from the first Michael Keaton Batman film, basically correct--that is, Joker killed Bruce Wayne's folks? Is there a reasonably concise answer I can give to him?


DXMachina - Feb 13, 2005 3:02:32 am PST #7496 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

The movie is not exactly canon. Bruce Wayne's folks were killed in a mugging, just not by the Joker. Bruce still has lots of issues resulting from the death of his parents, so that's why he's so grumpy.


Tom Scola - Feb 13, 2005 3:11:42 am PST #7497 of 10000
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Bruce Wayne's parents were shot when he was eight years old, in a street alley, while he watched. In the movie it was the man who would eventually become the Joker. In the comic book, it wasn't the Joker, it was just some random mugger.

"Grumpy" is one way of describing Batman. "Really pissed off" is another. He hates criminals, he hates crime, and he hates guns.

Ben is probably to young for it, but the Batman movie that is coming out this summer goes a lot into this background.

Asking whether or not Batman is crazy is likely to lead to a 2000-word essay by Plei.


Topic!Cindy - Feb 13, 2005 4:01:02 am PST #7498 of 10000
What is even happening?

Asking whether or not Batman is crazy is likely to lead to a 2000-word essay by Plei.
Hee, yes. I'll save that for a day when I can enjoy it, properly.

Ben says Bruce doesn't seem to be grumpy when he's Bruce--just when he's Batman. I don't know if he's taken that from Static Shock, or from JLU. Does that sound right?

If I wanted to start him on Batman comics, which would be a good one? Are they too dark for a 9 year old? Are there current (i.e. not old collector's issues) series that might be good for him to read?


Tom Scola - Feb 13, 2005 4:17:49 am PST #7499 of 10000
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

The voice actor who does Batman does a really good job of it. When he's Bruce Wayne, he uses a completely different tone of voice than when he's Batman.

However, Bruce Wayne is just pretending to be a pampered, billionaire playboy. Bruce Wayne is the disguise, while Batman is the real person.


Topic!Cindy - Feb 13, 2005 4:44:00 am PST #7500 of 10000
What is even happening?

However, Bruce Wayne is just pretending to be a pampered, billionaire playboy. Bruce Wayne is the disguise, while Batman is the real person.

Oh. I'd never thought of that before (because my only exposure to Batman is the Adam West Series, and--I think two of the films), but that's quite true.


Tom Scola - Feb 13, 2005 4:58:09 am PST #7501 of 10000
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

There's a Saturday morning cartoon, called The Batman, which is aimed at a younger audience than even the JLU cartoon is. An all-ages comic, called The Batman Strikes! is based on the cartoon.


P.M. Marc - Feb 13, 2005 7:38:46 am PST #7502 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Bruce Wayne's parents were shot when he was eight years old, in a street alley, while he watched. In the movie it was the man who would eventually become the Joker. In the comic book, it wasn't the Joker, it was just some random mugger.

They've retconned it to 10 now, I think.

(Of course, post-Crisis, pre-Zero Hour, Batman had learned the identity of the man who shot his parents, and they retconned that, too, which means that Full Circle is out of continuity, drat it.)

Still, canon, comics or 'toon, starts with the basic premise that Thomas and Martha Wayne went to a movie with their son Bruce, were mugged and shot in front of him, leaving him a rich and emotionally scarred orphan who devotes his life to fighting crime to prevent others from suffering the pain he suffered, blah blah blah.

The all-ages comic would be the only one really appropriate at his age--the rest are a bit on what you might call the grim side, plus there'd be too much backstory to explain.


Kalshane - Feb 13, 2005 1:32:25 pm PST #7503 of 10000
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Just saw last night's JLU. While it was nice to have the Flash back, I didn't care for the story itself, though this could be because I wasn't remotely familiar with any of the characters beyond Flash, Martian Manhunter and EM.


DavidS - Feb 13, 2005 3:23:42 pm PST #7504 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I didn't care for the story itself, though this could be because I wasn't remotely familiar with any of the characters beyond Flash, Martian Manhunter and EM.

Whereas I'm a huge fan of Jack Kirby's 4th World Stories, so it was a treat for me. You really get the sense that for this last season they just wanted to run around and play with all the toys in the toybox while they could.