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Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 12, 2005 5:22:39 pm PST #7492 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I'd always imagined Margaret Hamilton, myself.


DXMachina - Feb 12, 2005 5:23:54 pm PST #7493 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Yup. That's about what I imagined, too.


§ ita § - Feb 12, 2005 8:52:06 pm PST #7494 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I find I always freeze frame on the credits, and then one name means I have to go back and listen again. Ioan Gruffud is this week's dude-I-should-have-known voice.


Topic!Cindy - Feb 13, 2005 2:56:36 am PST #7495 of 10000
What is even happening?

Busting in to ask a question. Ben watches Static Shock, and Batman makes an occasional crossover. Ben wants to know why Batman is always so grumpy. He watches JLU, once in a while, but hasn't seen enough to get a feel for Batman's personality from it.

I don't want to mess up canon for him. Is the story from the first Michael Keaton Batman film, basically correct--that is, Joker killed Bruce Wayne's folks? Is there a reasonably concise answer I can give to him?


DXMachina - Feb 13, 2005 3:02:32 am PST #7496 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

The movie is not exactly canon. Bruce Wayne's folks were killed in a mugging, just not by the Joker. Bruce still has lots of issues resulting from the death of his parents, so that's why he's so grumpy.


Tom Scola - Feb 13, 2005 3:11:42 am PST #7497 of 10000
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Bruce Wayne's parents were shot when he was eight years old, in a street alley, while he watched. In the movie it was the man who would eventually become the Joker. In the comic book, it wasn't the Joker, it was just some random mugger.

"Grumpy" is one way of describing Batman. "Really pissed off" is another. He hates criminals, he hates crime, and he hates guns.

Ben is probably to young for it, but the Batman movie that is coming out this summer goes a lot into this background.

Asking whether or not Batman is crazy is likely to lead to a 2000-word essay by Plei.


Topic!Cindy - Feb 13, 2005 4:01:02 am PST #7498 of 10000
What is even happening?

Asking whether or not Batman is crazy is likely to lead to a 2000-word essay by Plei.
Hee, yes. I'll save that for a day when I can enjoy it, properly.

Ben says Bruce doesn't seem to be grumpy when he's Bruce--just when he's Batman. I don't know if he's taken that from Static Shock, or from JLU. Does that sound right?

If I wanted to start him on Batman comics, which would be a good one? Are they too dark for a 9 year old? Are there current (i.e. not old collector's issues) series that might be good for him to read?


Tom Scola - Feb 13, 2005 4:17:49 am PST #7499 of 10000
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

The voice actor who does Batman does a really good job of it. When he's Bruce Wayne, he uses a completely different tone of voice than when he's Batman.

However, Bruce Wayne is just pretending to be a pampered, billionaire playboy. Bruce Wayne is the disguise, while Batman is the real person.


Topic!Cindy - Feb 13, 2005 4:44:00 am PST #7500 of 10000
What is even happening?

However, Bruce Wayne is just pretending to be a pampered, billionaire playboy. Bruce Wayne is the disguise, while Batman is the real person.

Oh. I'd never thought of that before (because my only exposure to Batman is the Adam West Series, and--I think two of the films), but that's quite true.


Tom Scola - Feb 13, 2005 4:58:09 am PST #7501 of 10000
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

There's a Saturday morning cartoon, called The Batman, which is aimed at a younger audience than even the JLU cartoon is. An all-ages comic, called The Batman Strikes! is based on the cartoon.