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P.M. Marc - Dec 30, 2004 7:17:42 am PST #7117 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

You can always go back to the hot, but disturbing mental image of Tim aiming the gun at Cass. Tim looked really good in that panel.


§ ita § - Dec 30, 2004 7:20:29 am PST #7118 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Cass, Cass, Cass. My love for her is legion. I didn't think I could feel this way about anyone that's not a woman with artificially light hair, or Wolverine on a good day. Bless her.

I got into a stupid mini-spat in scans_daily about her being a Mary Sue. How can she be? She's so freaking broken. Sure, we'd love to fight like her, but who wants the damage in her head? How can you romanticise being shot by your father? Who could realistically maintain the degree of obsession she has with Batman?

She's just part of a girl, and fascinating to watch.


shrift - Dec 30, 2004 7:22:17 am PST #7119 of 10000
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

I'm kinda neutral on Kory. I suppose it makes a kind of circularity, considering that her breakup with Dick and his leaving the Titans led to a spiral of manly Dick pain and uncertainty.

And I'm for anything that gets me more Dick, especially on TT.


shrift - Dec 30, 2004 7:32:42 am PST #7120 of 10000
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

I got into a stupid mini-spat in scans_daily about her being a Mary Sue. How can she be? She's so freaking broken.

I can see where people might try to make an argument. Everyone in the Batfamily has some qualities that might smack of a Mary Sue, what with the brilliance and the pretty and the billionaire playboy super kung fu jujitsu mojo.

But the point they're missing is that each member of the Batfamily is so very deeply, irrevocably flawed. And not in the 'isn't that so charming?' kind of way, but in the scary freak-ass dysfunctional stalker vigilante kind of way.


§ ita § - Dec 30, 2004 7:34:15 am PST #7121 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

How can you be a Mary Sue next to the world's two greatest detectives? Or Babs, who seems to be the hacker extraordinaire and can still kick your ass from a wheelchair?

Have people not met superheroes?


Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 30, 2004 7:52:31 am PST #7122 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Yeah, it's kind of like griping about Superman being a male Mary Sue. Dude, that's the whole point. Siegel and Schuster invented Mary Sues. Or is that pants?


P.M. Marc - Dec 30, 2004 7:59:42 am PST #7123 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

They also kind of miss that if Cass were a Mary Sue, people would react to her the way they tended to react to Donna, instead of they way they actually do.


Steph L. - Jan 02, 2005 9:33:17 am PST #7124 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Ahahahaha! DCU/The O.C. crossover fic! Kid Flash/Seth.


Holli - Jan 02, 2005 2:02:13 pm PST #7125 of 10000
an overblown libretto and a sumptuous score/ could never contain the contradictions I adore

Steph, I read that, and it's amaaaazing. There needs to be more DCU crossover fic in the world.


Tom Scola - Jan 04, 2005 5:32:48 am PST #7126 of 10000
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

R.I.P. Will Eisner.