What do you think of it thus far?
It's OK. Think it's dragging out a bit too much. Want some action.
Book: I am a Shepherd. Folks like a man of God. Mal: No, they don't. Men of God make everyone feel guilty and judged.
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Discussion of Buffy and Angel comics, books, and more. Please don't get into spoilery details in the first week of release.
victor infante - Nov 23, 2004 1:20:54 pm PST #6613 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
DXMachina - Nov 23, 2004 2:40:10 pm PST #6614 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.
I have the same complaint about Ex Machina.
Polter-Cow - Nov 23, 2004 3:04:36 pm PST #6615 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Hey! Things blew up! That was action!
§ ita § - Nov 23, 2004 4:52:34 pm PST #6616 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I just read an LJ entry that said that DC was using the deaths of Digger and Drake Sr. as smokescreens for their pervasive misogyny.
At least I think that's what they said.
Those folk who thought IC was refrigerator stuffing -- does that opinion still hold?
Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 23, 2004 4:57:38 pm PST #6617 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
I think the targeting of Drake mitigated that somewhat, though the choice of leading off with Sue's death, then her earlier victimization, then Jean Loring's attempted murder before having any male victims put them in an uncomfortable position.
§ ita § - Nov 23, 2004 5:02:06 pm PST #6618 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I'm really bad at seeing the sort of thing people were complaining about -- I do think that Mr. Drake got more agency in his demise (for all the good it did him), but am not sure if where I fall on the idea that starting with a defenseless and beloved woman was a) cheap b) exploitative or c) efficiently effective.
And really, if b) do they do it because they think it's the skeeriest thing ever, or because they know it will make most of their readers reel with the most horror? That "escalating" to the slightly armed and XY sorts will make it clear that anyone's at risk?
DavidS - Nov 23, 2004 7:06:29 pm PST #6619 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Doesn't the reveal that they fucked with Dr. Light's brain count as spreading the misery around with the men?
Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 23, 2004 9:29:50 pm PST #6620 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Well, technically. But he's hardly a sympathetic figure that most readers will feel concern for/identification with.
DXMachina - Nov 24, 2004 1:50:32 am PST #6621 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.
Plus, they did it after he raped Sue, so again a woman is victimized.
Polter-Cow - Nov 24, 2004 7:02:45 am PST #6622 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Huh. All I have today is new Daredevil and new Powers.
Though there's also new Batgirl and Batman, for those of you into that sort of thing.