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Steph L. - Nov 18, 2004 5:57:49 am PST #6505 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Dude, I think I'm going to stop reading Robin, as much as it pains me to say that, because you know I have the great big Tim love.

But really. The writing is execrable, and the art in #132 is some of the worst art I've ever seen. I no longer give one damn about it.

And I *so* can't figure out the timeline of things in the DC-verse. Tim said that he buried Darla, Steph, and his dad, in just a matter of days. The fact that he mentioned his dead dad means that Robin #132 is taking place after IC #5/6. I just don't see how it all slots together, time-wise. War Games, even though it felt like YEARS, took place over (more or less) 2-3 days. Given that you really need to bury people relatively soon after they die, Darla and Steph had to have been buried, at most, within a week after War Games. So, given that week of leeway, did the whole of IC take place in that one week? Because that's when Tim's dad died.

Me confused. Make head hurt.

I loved that TT #18 used the IC mind-wipe knowledge -- though I'd guess that Zatanna is long gone, and Dark Raven probably does it.

I have a lot more to say about TT #18, but I need my comic in front of me. Though I really dig the implication that Bruce and Selina got married.


Holli - Nov 18, 2004 7:01:00 am PST #6506 of 10000
an overblown libretto and a sumptuous score/ could never contain the contradictions I adore

Steph, I'm ignoring Willingham's messed-up timeline (and, actually, Meltzer's messed up timeine too, even though it's better-written).

As far as I can tell, the chain of events is something like: Tim quits. Steph is Robin, Steph is fired, Tim is Robin, Steph is dead. Tim's dad has a couple of weeks to adjust to Tim being Robin, then he's dead too. Tim is traumatized 4-EVAH. The End.


sumi - Nov 18, 2004 7:03:56 am PST #6507 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

Isn't Willingham going to stop writing Robin? Or am I very very confused?


victor infante - Nov 18, 2004 7:44:00 am PST #6508 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

It's always best to ignore exact time references in DC or Marvel comics. All they are is a shorthand for "recently," "not that long ago" and "a while back." Anything that happened in the past five years IRL happened "last year."

Continuity will never be so fine an instrument as to ever, ever be comprehensible.


Steph L. - Nov 18, 2004 7:45:39 am PST #6509 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Isn't Willingham going to stop writing Robin?

Willingham delenda est.


Polter-Cow - Nov 18, 2004 7:47:09 am PST #6510 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Willingham delenda est.

No! You may wish him off the title, but you may not wish his death. I need my Fables.


Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 18, 2004 7:48:36 am PST #6511 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I'll sign on for that. How does someone that openly hostile to his own fanbase convince an editor to hire him?


Steph L. - Nov 18, 2004 7:52:52 am PST #6512 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

How does someone that openly hostile to his own fanbase convince an editor to hire him?

There must be fans who like him. For example: there's a whole platoon of fans who DESPISE Devin Grayson, who think she ruined Nightwing with this whole torment-him-make-him-suffer arc. And I can't quite wrap my head around people hating Grayson.


Holli - Nov 18, 2004 8:16:15 am PST #6513 of 10000
an overblown libretto and a sumptuous score/ could never contain the contradictions I adore

Willingham delenda est.

wrod. I keep hoping he'll turn it around, but the man cannot write any of the Bats. I halfway wish they'd just give him another DC title to ruin, but i'm afraid it'll be something I like.


Tom Scola - Nov 18, 2004 8:38:50 am PST #6514 of 10000
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

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