Didn't Hector *die* in Sandman?
You say that as if it were some kind of permanent thing.
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amych - Sep 20, 2004 11:01:18 am PDT #5971 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?
victor infante - Sep 20, 2004 11:03:26 am PDT #5972 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
Okay, now I'm confused. Didn't Hector *die* in Sandman?
Actually, he died in Incfinity, Inc.. He was a ghost in Sandman, and Morpheus banished him.
However, in JSA, Hector Hall was reincarnated as the new Dr. Fate. Remember, he's the child of the golden age Hawkman and Hawkwoman, and the whole family has been being reincarnated since ancient Egypt.
Now Lyta's back as Fury, which pretty much puts her back to where she was before Gaiman got his hands on her, and the two of them have been snoozingly dull, ever since.
Wolfram - Sep 20, 2004 11:18:11 am PDT #5973 of 10000
Visilurking
If HH is a Hawkchild where are his wings?
victor infante - Sep 20, 2004 11:53:46 am PDT #5974 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
If HH is a Hawkchild where are his wings?
None of the various Hawkmans--Golden ages reincarnated Egyptian King version or silver age alien cop version--had wings of their own. Both use devices.
Wolfram - Sep 20, 2004 12:11:51 pm PDT #5975 of 10000
Visilurking
Huh? So in last season's JL when the Hawkmen came, those were just devices too?
Tom Scola - Sep 20, 2004 12:14:37 pm PDT #5976 of 10000
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I don't think you should draw too big of a parallel between the Hawkmen in the comics and the Hawkmen in the cartoon. The cartoon diverges from the comics continuity in many profound ways.
Mr. Broom - Sep 20, 2004 12:53:13 pm PDT #5977 of 10000
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It's funny how Sandman is so isolated from the rest of the DC Universe; stuff you read in Sandman is permanent; everything else is temporary. So when someone resurrects a character that is established as very, very dead in Sandman, it rankles.
P.M. Marc - Sep 20, 2004 1:02:25 pm PDT #5978 of 10000
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It's funny how Sandman is so isolated from the rest of the DC Universe; stuff you read in Sandman is permanent; everything else is temporary. So when someone resurrects a character that is established as very, very dead in Sandman, it rankles.
Hmm. Do you read JSA? Because bringing Hector back was really well done, and I've been re-reading Sandman at least once a year for years now. (I agree, Victor, that he and Lyta haven't been exactly exciting since her return, but hey, it's early days yet.)
It's only *kind of* isolated. I mean, Dream's shown up to give Kyle a pep talk about his path as Green Lantern. Which was just weird.
Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 20, 2004 3:21:18 pm PDT #5979 of 10000
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Eh. If you say so. I was OK with Hector until they brought Lyta back, undoing anything interesting that had been done with her in the Vertigo stories.
Yes. Another problem is that, YET AGAIN, they decided to make Nabu the Wise into a semi-villainous figure that had to be overcome by whoever is currently Dr. Fate.
I think the character is much more interesting when the wearer is being unduly influenced, if not outright possessed, by the spirit of Nabu in the helm. For however many years, Fate was portrayed as spooky, cold, and logical with no sentiment. I'm very disappointed that Johns had him go on another power trip after so nicely disregarding the last one from the DeMatteis run.
victor infante - Sep 20, 2004 3:57:27 pm PDT #5980 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
It's only *kind of* isolated. I mean, Dream's shown up to give Kyle a pep talk about his path as Green Lantern. Which was just weird.
Yeah, he's also been tangentially around JSA, which is kind of OK, considering his many connections there, both through Daniel's parents (the current Dr. Fate and Fury) and his connection to Wesley Dodds, the Golden Age Sandman.
I think the character is much more interesting when the wearer is being unduly influenced, if not outright possessed, by the spirit of Nabu in the helm. For however many years, Fate was portrayed as spooky, cold, and logical with no sentiment.
Yeah, that's kind of how I like Fate, too. I'd like to see some sort of accord there.