What you did to me was unbelievable, Connor. But then I got stuck in a hell dimension by my girlfriend one time for a hundred years, so three months under the ocean actually gave me perspective. Kind of a M.C. Escher perspective, but I did get time to think.

Angel ,'Conviction (1)'


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sumi - Sep 15, 2004 7:38:41 pm PDT #5926 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

I have now read BoP, GK and IC.

Why were Huntress and Dinah at that party/meeting? Were they just supposed to beat up henchmen? I may have to reread when I am less tired.

I also loved everyone's reaction to the fucked upness of Bats' plan.

Is this the first issue of IC where Batman has been active?


Polter-Cow - Sep 15, 2004 7:41:17 pm PDT #5927 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I wonder if Batman's plan included Darla's death. You'd think Innocent Child Dying at School would set off his alarms before All the Lights Go Out.


sumi - Sep 15, 2004 7:45:05 pm PDT #5928 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

I don't think that his plan could be that specific -- I think that Darla's death is part of the way in which the plan didn't work because Spoiler didn't know that Matches Malone IS Batman.


Kalshane - Sep 16, 2004 7:15:18 am PDT #5929 of 10000
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Anyone else read Ultimate Nightmare? Not much happened. I also find it odd that there's this big global psychic threat and Xavier only sends 3 X-men?

Also, what was up with the art? Wolverine looks like he's 14.


§ ita § - Sep 16, 2004 7:30:01 am PDT #5930 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I agree with you, Kalshane. The entire issue seemed to be to assure us that the winged guy whose name I forget is cool, and to get both Shield and the Xes to the same place.

Art was very weird. Jean's looked like a million different things, but I had to just assume that was her.


DavidS - Sep 16, 2004 7:51:30 am PDT #5931 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I was reading this TCJ column on Understanding Comics, and I have to say, when it comes to being cool, they're icy.

Just so you know, The Comics Journal itself merely liked Understanding Comics and totally reamed the follow-up Reinventing Comics.


§ ita § - Sep 16, 2004 7:56:00 am PDT #5932 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

That thread more than merely liked UC -- they either quite liked, or quite disliked. Which is why I was surprised there was so little reaction (of any sort) to the author.


Tom Scola - Sep 16, 2004 7:56:53 am PDT #5933 of 10000
hwæt

TCJ message board is not a very nice place.

Apparently, many underground cartoonists aren't particularly mature or professional. Who'd have thought?


DavidS - Sep 16, 2004 8:07:31 am PDT #5934 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

TCJ message board is not a very nice place.

Well, Kim and Gary aren't very nice guys either. That probably helps set the tone.

Apparently, many underground cartoonists aren't particularly mature or professional. Who'd have thought?

I was kind of surprised how many of them came from broken homes and had massive issues with their absent dads. But yeah, it's a business that attracts a lot of dysfunctional, not-very-socialized people.


Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 16, 2004 10:34:44 am PDT #5935 of 10000
Oh honey, the mentally unwell people have been in the fanbase since Game Changers was Stucky fanfiction on the internet. The calls have been coming from inside the house the whole time!

I'm just glad when I hear about the odd bit of nice behavior from comics professionals, like the first time George Perez and Phil Jiminez met.