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Discussion of Buffy and Angel comics, books, and more. Please don't get into spoilery details in the first week of release.


DXMachina - Aug 13, 2004 4:10:32 pm PDT #5481 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

They do work together, but, for me personally, the primary impact comes from the writing. I'll forgive bad art on a beautifully written story where I won't forgive bad writing on a beautifully drawn or painted story.

I'm just the opposite. If I don't like the art, it takes me right out of the story.


Michele T. - Aug 13, 2004 4:27:41 pm PDT #5482 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

Oh, other great standalone graphic novels? From Hell and Stuck Rubber Baby. Love 'em both to death.


§ ita § - Aug 13, 2004 4:34:41 pm PDT #5483 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I am art's bitch. It can break me and abuse me. I have no idea what the text quality was of anything JJ Muth illustrated, and it took me way too long to become disenchanted with Sin City. The virtue of the white space alone in both transported me, in very different ways. If the plot is sufficient, the right slump of the shoulders or exaltation in flight or just fucking clever panel composition can overcome clunky dialog.


Frankenbuddha - Aug 13, 2004 7:22:56 pm PDT #5484 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Favorite comic experience? STRAY TOASTERS. Yes, I am style-as-content's bitch (hence my love for Dario Argento, Hitchcock, Lynch, etc.). Three issues in I still didn't know what the fuck was going on, but loving the ride. Then in book four? He actually pulls it together in a way that doesn't suck.

Most powerful? V for Vendetta. Particularly the issue when Evie (? - it's been ages since I could bring myself to read the series) is reading the stories from the person in the cell next door, and everything that follows. Moore already had me, but that broke me, just like the character in question.

However, as an ongoing series? Sandman, hands down. Pings so many things with me it's not even funny.

Bats is still my favorite superhero. John Constantaine is my second, if he counts as one.


Thomash - Aug 14, 2004 2:48:31 am PDT #5485 of 10000
I have a plan.

thomash, did you read both parts of Hush? Because your question is answered in book 2.

Nope, just book one I guess. Though I didn't notice the TPB saying book 1. I guess that's why I was wondering if there was more to it.


-t - Aug 14, 2004 5:11:20 am PDT #5486 of 10000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

You know, I remember reading Stray Toasters, and being totally absorbed in it, and waiting impatiently for the next issue to come out, but I can't remember anything about it. Just an image or two here and there. I did love it while I was reading it, though.


Frankenbuddha - Aug 14, 2004 8:11:58 am PDT #5487 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

You know, I remember reading Stray Toasters, and being totally absorbed in it, and waiting impatiently for the next issue to come out, but I can't remember anything about it. Just an image or two here and there. I did love it while I was reading it, though.

It's worth digging up again. What finally surprised me was that the story turned out to be a lot more conventional than it looked like it was going to be, but there were so many lovely asides, detours and tangents that the cumulative effect was amazing. Plus, I'm a big fan of Bill S's art. He wasn't a bad writer, though.

Has he been doing ANYTHING lately? After BIG NUMBERS died prematurely, the only things I remember him doing (other than occasional single panels) were MOBY DICK for the short-lived revival of Classics Illustrated and a set of Kennedy Assassination Conspiracy Theory trading cards. Oh, and he did a story in the Sandman Eternals hardcover, right?

eta, Delirium, natch. The bio in there says he was working on a Batman mini-series. Anything ever come of that, or is it still in the works?


§ ita § - Aug 14, 2004 8:19:19 am PDT #5488 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Where can I find out which Batgirl TPBs collect which issues? I had figured they'd be sequential, but I picked one up in the store which started at around 16, and skipped a couple before it got to, I think, 24.


DavidS - Aug 14, 2004 8:29:47 am PDT #5489 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Particularly the issue when Evie (? - it's been ages since I could bring myself to read the series) is reading the stories from the person in the cell next door, and everything that follows. Moore already had me, but that broke me, just like the character in question.

That was an amazing story. "Valerie" - I think.


P.M. Marc - Aug 14, 2004 8:48:06 am PDT #5490 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Has he been doing ANYTHING lately? After BIG NUMBERS died prematurely, the only things I remember him doing (other than occasional single panels) were MOBY DICK for the short-lived revival of Classics Illustrated and a set of Kennedy Assassination Conspiracy Theory trading cards. Oh, and he did a story in the Sandman Eternals hardcover, right?

Bill Sienkiewicz does a hell of a lot, but a lot of it isn't comics these days. He does album covers, storyboards--tons of stuff.

And yeah, he did Delirium in Endless Nights.