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CaBil - Jul 20, 2004 10:52:49 am PDT #4932 of 10000
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

Not a, but THE best selling comic of any given month maybe cracks 100K. And that has been a relatively recent return, for a while in late 90s, early oughts, no one was break 75k.

Last time there was multiple titles cracking 100k was in the early 90s speculator bubble.


P.M. Marc - Jul 20, 2004 10:53:05 am PDT #4933 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Then there's Bronze Age, which goes up to about Crisis, IIRC.

Though with Bronze and the seldom-mentioned Copper, it kind of feels like they're just slapping a metal where appropriate or something.


Frankenbuddha - Jul 20, 2004 10:58:18 am PDT #4934 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

nods head vigorously in agreement with definitions

Kevalier and Clay is all about the Golden Age, for instance, up to and including it's end.


DavidS - Jul 20, 2004 11:09:54 am PDT #4935 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Then there's Bronze Age, which goes up to about Crisis, IIRC.

I don't know that many people who use Bronze Age as a term. It's usually either just Pre-Crisis or Post-Crisis. As you note, it's just a long slide into the base metals at that point.

Other historical markers (in my mind anyway) that mark signal changes in the industry would include things like: Cerebus and Elfquest establishing direct market comics distributed through comic stores instead of 7-11s; Alan Moore taking over Swamp Thing (which ultimately kicks off the Vertigo Line and a whole new market); the media hoopla about Dark Knight, and Miller's Batman Year One reboot; Fantagraphics publishing Love and Rockets (another significant expansion in the market for comics, coincident and tied with indie culture in general); a couple weird rise-and-fall cycles of the industry driven by collector speculation (first the black and white crash by Teenage Mutant Ninja imitators - there were fourteen at one point. Then the Every Comic Is Now Officially #1 Forever, with Multiple Gold Leaf Embossed Covers Collect Them All). Etc. etc.


Calli - Jul 20, 2004 11:12:37 am PDT #4936 of 10000
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

So what would the line of comics that came after Miller's Dark Knight be considered? Are they Bronze Age or Titanium or just, oooooh dark and nifty?

I'm considering getting back into comics again. I stopped buying X-Men after it split into half a dozen X-titles (or so it seemed to my wallet). I read all of Sandman when it first came out and a hundred or so issues of Hellblazer before I got distracted by something shiny. But I picked up an Ultimate X-Men Ultimate-Spiderman crossover and really enjoyed it.


P.M. Marc - Jul 20, 2004 11:12:59 am PDT #4937 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I don't know that many people who use Bronze Age as a term.

I think eBay might.


P.M. Marc - Jul 20, 2004 11:16:21 am PDT #4938 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

So what would the line of comics that came after Miller's Dark Knight be considered? Are they Bronze Age or Titanium or just, oooooh dark and nifty?

"Copper"

Yeah, I don't get it either.

If it's post-Clinton, it's "modern."

Note, these distinctions are usually only seen at places attempting to sell you stuff. Well, bronze is kinda-sorta used. Kinda.

But the main distinctions I see out there are Golden Age/Silver Age/Modern Age.


askye - Jul 20, 2004 11:17:26 am PDT #4939 of 10000
Thrive to spite them

Ebay uses: Platinum, Gold, Silver, Bronze, Modern.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 20, 2004 11:18:12 am PDT #4940 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

This period is when comics were at their height of popularity. I think Superman was churning out a million issues or something ridiculous. It was a lot - much more than today.

Captain Marvel was actually the blue medal winner of the Golden Age—that title sometimes sold in excess of 2,000,000 copies during WWII. It held the record for single issue sales until the speculator frenzy of the 90s and that Todd McFarlane Spider-Man #1 with a bazillion cover variants. However, the character faded into obscurity during the Silver Age and was only returned to a certain level of prominence once DC acquired the rights.


amych - Jul 20, 2004 11:18:54 am PDT #4941 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Hec, what's your memory of when direct market sales really got to be the thing? I remember getting my mid-late 70s WW's at the drugstore or the supermarket, and my first real comics store experiences in the mid-80s. Somewhere in between, the racks in the drugstores disappeared, but I'm blanking on just when that happened.

(And curiously, this isn't the first think I've had today on mass market vs. direct market sales and changes in comics marketing.)