This is a really long article about the status of comic books as literature, and I'm only on the second page, but it's interesting so far.
It's all about the coat.
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Discussion of Buffy and Angel comics, books, and more. Please don't get into spoilery details in the first week of release.
Polter-Cow - Jul 12, 2004 7:23:01 am PDT #4715 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Nutty - Jul 12, 2004 7:28:39 am PDT #4716 of 10000
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
Now see, the article struck me as a bit foolish. I suppose there may just be no way to clue in the innocent to a subculture/subgenre without coming across as foolish, but it's repetitively tiresome.
Miracleman - Jul 12, 2004 7:32:06 am PDT #4717 of 10000
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020
Okay, re: Powers...have not read the white-font. I have another question.
Having read all the way through Supergroup...am I up to date? If I pick up the new #1 will I be jumping in right where I just left off?
§ ita § - Jul 12, 2004 7:41:33 am PDT #4718 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Terminology question: graphic novel ... trade paperback.
What's the diff? Are they mutually exclusive? Synonyms? Overlapping? Unrelated, and can modify each other?
What do you call the work that's a collected run of issues published in book form? Is it different if it's a miniseries?
Does it have to be published just the once, in book form, to be a graphic novel?
Polter-Cow - Jul 12, 2004 7:43:23 am PDT #4719 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
If I pick up the new #1 will I be jumping in right where I just left off?
No. The new #1 picks up following the events of The Sellouts. After that was a storyline about Christian's history which isn't essential to the current plot. The Previously in #1 will get you up to speed without really giving away the specifics of The Sellouts, (though I have an inkling Deena might spoil it somewhere in the issue, and the ultimate effect the storyline had will of course be obvious).
Granted, you will get the most out of The Sellouts if you don't read #1 now, but you won't get less from #1 by not having read The Sellouts.
P.M. Marc - Jul 12, 2004 7:43:26 am PDT #4720 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
If it was published just the once, in book form, is it a graphic novel?
I believe so.
IIRC, the difference is that a trade is a collected run, and a graphic novel started out in that form.
I also feel like I should use air quotes around difference there for some reason.
amych - Jul 12, 2004 7:47:34 am PDT #4721 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?
I also feel like I should use air quotes around difference there for some reason.
Because it's a vague distinction at best. It's pretty standard that a GN started out that way, but since TPB is also just a name for a publishing format, it's a lot less clear -- if you're talking to a comics collector, they're most likely referring to a collected run of a serial title; if you're talking to a bookseller, it could be that, or the paperback edition of the GN....
§ ita § - Jul 12, 2004 7:50:45 am PDT #4722 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I can't find consensus. The terms are used so erratically on the web. And everything sounds so plausible.
Watchmen was notable as being the first collected series graphic novel, spinning out of a new comics vehicle called the limited series, which were designed to only last a finite number of issues. This limited series concept would prove to be a major factor in today's collected series graphic novels.
See? Why not. I'm down with that, as well as with the usage in the NYT article.
Tom Scola - Jul 12, 2004 7:52:52 am PDT #4723 of 10000
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.
I interpret "trade paperback" as a term used by the industry to describe the format of the product, while "graphic novel" is a vague to meaningless term used to market the product to the masses.
Gris - Jul 12, 2004 10:10:49 am PDT #4724 of 10000
Hey. New board.
amych: bittorrent is great for picking up big runs of books (like: Every Ultimate X-Men Ever! style) but seems to be very sporadic with releases of individual books. As I'm not currently in reach of a comic book store (god, this town sucks), I need my individual fixes until i can pick them up in real form...