I interpret "trade paperback" as a term used by the industry to describe the format of the product, while "graphic novel" is a vague to meaningless term used to market the product to the masses.
Who was the real power? The Captain? or Tenille?
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Discussion of Buffy and Angel comics, books, and more. Please don't get into spoilery details in the first week of release.
Tom Scola - Jul 12, 2004 7:52:52 am PDT #4723 of 10000
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.
Gris - Jul 12, 2004 10:10:49 am PDT #4724 of 10000
Hey. New board.
amych: bittorrent is great for picking up big runs of books (like: Every Ultimate X-Men Ever! style) but seems to be very sporadic with releases of individual books. As I'm not currently in reach of a comic book store (god, this town sucks), I need my individual fixes until i can pick them up in real form...
amych - Jul 12, 2004 10:13:43 am PDT #4725 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?
"graphic novel" is a vague to meaningless term used to market the product to the masses.
For "masses", substitute "people who like to say they don't read comics".
Nutty - Jul 12, 2004 10:32:22 am PDT #4726 of 10000
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
graphic novel
The joke is how many years librarians have been fighting over what to call visual print works of non-fiction. That goes double when it's a not-funny visual print work of non-fiction, like Maus, because then 'comic book' is also ruled out.
The other joke is how many people look at the term 'graphic novel' and think it means, by definition, some kind of hard core sex or violence.
I think the word 'graphic' needs a take-back-the-night rally.
§ ita § - Jul 12, 2004 10:34:13 am PDT #4727 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I think 'graphic' needs to take back the day. It seems very at home in the night.
DavidS - Jul 12, 2004 11:08:23 am PDT #4728 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
As noted, "graphic novel" was part of a marketing ploy on the part of the comics industry to get bookstores to carry their products. It was tied with the pushing of comics-are-art agenda and the early examples published as whole works, rather than series collections. (Things like, Will Eisner's Contract With God - which is where I first saw the phrase "graphic novel.") Anyway, Sandman kind of blew that distinction out of the water since they've been successfully marketed in bookstores for yonks now, have the imprimatur of ART and are collected trades.
Glamcookie - Jul 12, 2004 11:13:34 am PDT #4729 of 10000
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister
After that was a storyline about Christian's history which isn't essential to the current plot.
Are you mad, man? Since when is graphic monkey love not essential to the plot??
(You know I'm just playing. That issue sucked. I loved the China stuff, though.)
Kalshane - Jul 12, 2004 1:56:58 pm PDT #4730 of 10000
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why?
Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.
Polter-Cow - Jul 12, 2004 3:50:39 pm PDT #4731 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
My used trade score today? Two Fables trades, Animal Farm and Storybook Love. And now, they have NML 2-5. Still missing #1. If it does show up there, it's going to be hard to resist picking them all up and buying. Hell, I almost did it now. I don't even have very much idea what it's about or why it's so great. Also, they had Officer Down. Is that one good?
I did some issue-reading. Seaguy is fucking ridiculous. It's relentlessly weird. It's generally enjoyable, but I feel like I'm missing the point. Unless Grant Morrison just feels like having fun.
Sleeper went over my head. I don't know who any of the characters are or what's going on or why it's going on or anything.
Ex Machina is very cool. I'll be following it.
sumi - Jul 12, 2004 6:15:17 pm PDT #4732 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!
I need to read Officer Down -- I'm guessing that it is a post-NML story.