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Discussion of Buffy and Angel comics, books, and more. Please don't get into spoilery details in the first week of release.


shrift - Jul 07, 2004 7:38:18 pm PDT #4658 of 10000
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

Oh, and by the way? Curse you all who recommended Powers, because after Who Killed Retro Girl, I want moremoremore.


Polter-Cow - Jul 07, 2004 7:49:02 pm PDT #4659 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Y, The Last Man #24 - Either this or Fables is the best Vertigo title published today, and I think it will stand up with the greats from the past ( Sandman, Preacher, Swamp Thing ).

I've really been meaning to get into that. But I do love Fables. A lot. Hey, wait, do you read 100 Bullets ? That's a pretty kickin' Vertigo title at times. Though I think it reads better in trades than issue-by-issue. I'm hoping, based on the end of #49, that #51 returns to all the conspiracy stuff I love so much.

Curse you all who recommended Powers, because after Who Killed Retro Girl, I want moremoremore.

Bwahahahaha! Do so, but don't be discouraged by the fact that Role-Play doesn't really measure up, cause the rest do. Actually, I think they alternate, cause Little Deaths isn't so hot either. I think my favorites besides that are Anarchy and Supergroup.


P.M. Marc - Jul 08, 2004 9:31:13 am PDT #4660 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

So, because I am lazy and do not want to write it, but DAMN, I want to read it...

Are there any essays out there that look at the arc of Daniel in Sandman as a reflection of the book's role in the DC Universe, and how, by the end, it was separate from it (despite Bats, Supes, and the Green Guy--oh, and Wesley--being in The Wake) in many ways, despite its birth/conception there?

I'm really explaining this poorly, considering it's an obvious notion.

If anyone can translate my brain to English, thanks.


Hayden - Jul 08, 2004 9:59:33 am PDT #4661 of 10000
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

Do you mean how Daniel was born out of the silver age Sandman and suddenly went from a child to not just an adult but a powerful character that had no need to be in the regular DC universe?


P.M. Marc - Jul 08, 2004 10:11:30 am PDT #4662 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Do you mean how Daniel was born out of the silver age Sandman and suddenly went from a child to not just an adult but a powerful character that had no need to be in the regular DC universe?

Sorta kinda.

The whole notion that by becoming Dream of the Endless, what remained of Daniel, the product of two superhero types, burned away and vanished, changing him into something beyond his origins, echoed the notion of the not-exactly-a-reboot that is the tale we've been told.


P.M. Marc - Jul 08, 2004 10:16:07 am PDT #4663 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

(Serial)

(Or did this morning while I was drinking my coffee and waking up.)


§ ita § - Jul 08, 2004 10:48:35 am PDT #4664 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The question I had about Firestorm remains only partially answered, as of #3. I guess that's how they get me to buy #4.

Any word on what the Perez/Wolfman TT hardcover's supposed to be about?


victor infante - Jul 08, 2004 11:06:34 am PDT #4665 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Are there any essays out there that look at the arc of Daniel in Sandman as a reflection of the book's role in the DC Universe, and how, by the end, it was separate from it (despite Bats, Supes, and the Green Guy--oh, and Wesley--being in The Wake) in many ways, despite its birth/conception there?

I'm sure there'sstuff out there, but I couldn't point you to it.

On the other hand, I've often speculated that there's really two DC Universes, and the one seen in the superhero books is actually all part of the Dreaming. Which would explain continuity a lot.


P.M. Marc - Jul 08, 2004 11:29:09 am PDT #4666 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I'm sure there'sstuff out there, but I couldn't point you to it.

Hrmph.

If I can't find it, I'll have to write it, which means I'll need Companion and FEH.

Someone MUST have written it. It MUST exist.

On the other hand, I've often speculated that there's really two DC Universes, and the one seen in the superhero books is actually all part of the Dreaming. Which would explain continuity a lot.

Applying this to the JLA makes my head hurt.


victor infante - Jul 08, 2004 11:57:41 am PDT #4667 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Applying this to the JLA makes my head hurt.

Not at all. How long's Batman been around? 10 years? 20 years? The reason it's inconsistent is that it's all a dream!

The only things set in the "real" world are the Vertigo stories like Books of Magic, Swamp Thing and Hellblazer, which is why sometimes they seem to live in the same world as Superman and the rest, and sometimes they don't!

Certainlymakes Lyta Hall's story more comprehensible.