On my seventh birthday, I wanted a toy fire truck, and I didn't get it, and you were real nice about it, and then the house next door burnt down, and then real firetrucks came, and for years I thought you set the fire for me. And if you did, you can tell me!

Xander ,'Same Time, Same Place'


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§ ita § - Jul 04, 2004 6:07:21 pm PDT #4573 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Okay -- the second issue raised some questions, and I'll remind myself to ask you them then.


Tom Scola - Jul 04, 2004 6:12:12 pm PDT #4574 of 10000
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

That part of Bruce's life is murky, and subject to the interpretation of different writers. I know that he studied at the FBI Academy at Quantico. Maybe he tried to go legit, but decided that beating up the bad guys was a whole lot more satisfying.


§ ita § - Jul 04, 2004 6:15:48 pm PDT #4575 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I know that he studied at the FBI Academy at Quantico.

Okay, this sounds familiar. But I couldn't reconcile it with the flaky playboy, so I wasn't sure.

I can see him losing faith in the law (better to redefine than to fix that which never found his parents' killer). Just not sure how he managed the slick transition.

Does anyone know how early the new Batman movie starts? I mean, I'm sure they'll cover the shooting, but when the main part of the narrative gets underway.


§ ita § - Jul 04, 2004 6:37:19 pm PDT #4576 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

In Ultimate Spiderman 55, Doc Ock's arms talk to him. Do they do that in the normal Marvel-verse?


Polter-Cow - Jul 04, 2004 8:58:49 pm PDT #4577 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

In Ultimate Spiderman 55, Doc Ock's arms talk to him.

Is that part of Ultimate Six ? I wasn't sure if they were actually talking to him, or if he just "felt them calling to him" cause he's a loony supervillain and all.


Kalshane - Jul 04, 2004 9:51:19 pm PDT #4578 of 10000
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

ita, I'm not sure about the normal Marvel-verse, but in the movie (very minor spoiler for Spider-man 2) his arms are AI-driven and it is implied that they do "speak" to him after the accident.


CaBil - Jul 04, 2004 10:54:20 pm PDT #4579 of 10000
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

No, in the traditional Marvel U, it was the radiation from the accident that drove Otto nuts. When Otto became Doc Ock, transitors were the cutting edge.


CaBil - Jul 04, 2004 10:55:16 pm PDT #4580 of 10000
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

Also, the first annotated Identity Crisis page has gone up.

The link is here.


P.M. Marc - Jul 04, 2004 11:04:07 pm PDT #4581 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Late 20s?

See Plei.

See Plei attempt to make sense of the timeline (HA!).

Top of my head, recent events put Bruce's parents as dying 25 years ago. The Joker became the Joker IIRC 12 years ago, and pre-Robin Bats is still (last I checked) one of the reasons behind that. Which makes Bruce (depending on what's considered what at the moment, and it seems to shift daily) no more than 22 when he became the Bat. Bruce is being portrayed as about mid-30s at the moment. Of course, Dick is mid-20s. Thinking about this too much will make your brain explode. Warning. Warning.


victor infante - Jul 05, 2004 6:43:18 am PDT #4582 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

There seems to be an ongoing debate among the DC writers and editors as to how old their characters are. Judd Winick, Brad Meltzer, Kevin Smith and others have Green Arrow, Batman and most of the old guard pushing 40, at least. (Green Arrow, particularly, may well be over 40.)

Others seem to want theser characters younger.

Brad Meltzer, in Identity Crisis, upped the ante a bit by having Elongated Man say he's been a hero for nearly 20 years--which means Flash and the other original JLAers have also been active for about that long.

Thus, if, say, Batman was 20 when he started out, he's almost 40 now, which makes a bit of sense. If Dick Grayson popped up in Bats' first couple years, though, he'd be in his early thirties. Which makes sense on one level, but not in the way he's portrayed. I'd put Dick at 23 to 25 or so.

I'd hazard a guess that the current timeline has Bats and the others emerging about 15 years ago (easily rounded up to 20 in casual conversation) with Dick coming on the scene about 10 years ago. Give or take.