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Discussion of Buffy and Angel comics, books, and more. Please don't get into spoilery details in the first week of release.


P.M. Marc - Jun 29, 2004 1:45:53 pm PDT #4335 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Is there another book? Something that continues this?

Fugitive 1-3.


Caterpillar Drive - Jun 29, 2004 6:13:26 pm PDT #4336 of 10000
Tonight, I am the Law.

I didn't know this until relatively recently so I'll ask if you've seen it: Has anybody here read Dreamwave's TRANSFORMERS series? I had major '80s memories flashbacks when I saw these at the comics store last weekend...

...and the Devil's Due GI Joe series too?


Mr. Broom - Jun 29, 2004 7:12:14 pm PDT #4337 of 10000
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor

I've got two beaten-up issues of the old Transformers series tucked away somewhere; I got given them at random and they're not even consecutive. Weird to see the Transformer universe filtered through a comic book drama scheme, with all the turnabouts, psychological conflicts, and switching sides.

The whole Madelyn Pryor thing was before my time, reading-wise, so I can sort of ignore it, the way the writers mostly have. Oh, but just to further confuse the issue: Let's not forget Nate Grey, aka X-Man, the test tube son of Scott and Jean from the Age of Apocalypse universe who is genetically identical to Cable, except he's 1) younger 2) not infected with a techno-organic virus and 3) ridiculously powerful. And when he first appeared in the regular Marvel universe, he encountered a reincarnation of Madelyn Pryor. ...that he'd somehow created whole cloth with his powers. ...unbeknownst even to himself. ...even though there was no such person in his universe and he couldn't have known who she was otherwise.

That series was just weird.


§ ita § - Jun 29, 2004 7:13:54 pm PDT #4338 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

he encountered a reincarnation of Madelyn Pryor. ...that he'd somehow created whole cloth with his powers

Damn. You're right -- I attributed this to Cable. I can't imagine what I was thinking.

So how's he doing?


Atropa - Jun 29, 2004 7:24:43 pm PDT #4339 of 10000
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

I am not nice. In addition to the Outsiders issues Pete requested, I threw in the Arsenal mini and a couple more trades (Evolution and Officer Down). Had I had more time, I'd have probably snuck some Young Justice in there as well.

shakes fist at eeeeeeevil Bat-pusher

The Arsenal mini was, indeed, adorable. I really liked Officer Down.

And I suspect I'm about to add Outsiders to our list at the comic store.

shakes fist (again) at Plei, then at Victor

Of course, Jilli is also evil. She passed over the Black Kiss series.

Heh. Pervy smut with a side of vampires. And did I mention smut?


Mr. Broom - Jun 29, 2004 7:28:37 pm PDT #4340 of 10000
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor

Nate turned into some sort of mutant shaman-type guy. Then Marvel canceled his series and Generation X in the same month, and I'm pretty sure he hasn't been heard from since. Which is a big damn shame, 'coz I kind of liked his character, even if he muddied some already muddy continuity waters just by existing.

Also: Age of Apocalypse is one of the best alternate-universe storylines ever.


Gris - Jun 29, 2004 7:56:22 pm PDT #4341 of 10000
Hey. New board.

I bought Bruce Wayne Fugitive: Volume 3 today (didn't even know there WAS a volume 3, wondered about the bodyguard thing...). I also bought Ultimate X-Men 41, 43-47. Really wishing they had 40 and 42 at Midtown Comics so I could be all caught up in that series, but I guess I'll just skip them. 41 was pretty much a self-encompassing story, so I'll assume that 40 and 42 aren't necessary reads.

I REALLY like Ultimate X-Men.

Ultimate Spider-Man? Not so keen on. I think Peter Parker's character kinda annoys me, at least in the Ultimate series'. Didn't like him in the Ultimate X-Men crossover either. Though Daredevil was cool.

ita: I know that you want to push Batman on your friend. I don't blame you - Batman is pretty hardcore awesome. But to convert him to comics in one step if he's of the "pah, comics can't be literary, they've got PICTURES" mindset... I have to suggest Sandman. Especially since, as an uber-geek, he's probably at least HEARD of Gaiman. Another good conversion book (imo) would be Watchmen, but that could be read by the skeptic and then discarded, if he's stubborn enough. Discarding Sandman is just impossible, it's too good.

Speaking as somebody who was only recently re-converted to comics himself by these books...


§ ita § - Jun 29, 2004 8:05:11 pm PDT #4342 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think Watchman is too dense a story, and Morpheus not cool enough. He's not a snob.

I think he's just a late bloomer. He only just read the Lord Of The Rings.

Also, I own but don't have to hand the Sandman stories and Watchmen. So I'm not buying them again. Dark Knight I do not own.

I am selfish too.

Ultimate X Men 40 was the introduction of Angel. 42 was the introduction offscreen of Dazzler, Storm learning to control her powers, Beast leaving, and the escalation of the mutant/human tension in the White House.

41 was the issue that made me say, DAMN, I like this series.


Gris - Jun 29, 2004 8:06:26 pm PDT #4343 of 10000
Hey. New board.

Yeah, 41 was REALLY good. It's the only one of those I've read so far. But it was GOOD.


P.M. Marc - Jun 29, 2004 8:08:52 pm PDT #4344 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

The Arsenal mini was, indeed, adorable. I really liked Officer Down.

Hee.

I suppose Batman + Arsenal is next on the list to bring you.