Lorne: Snakes? Uh-huh. And they came out of your what? Okay. Okay, well, did they get up there themselves or is this part of a, you know, a thing? No, I'm not judging...Do we fight snakes? Angel: Only if they're giant. Or demons. Or giant demons. Are they giant demon snakes? Lorne: Well, unless this guy's 30 feet tall, I'm thinking they're of the garden variety.

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Michele T. - Jun 17, 2004 11:01:02 am PDT #3964 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

As to the whitefont, Fables is, indeed, good stuff. It may just be a mismatch of creator and material.

Also, my day today has gone from the sublime to the opposite way too fast. And amych's .rar still no workey.


P.M. Marc - Jun 17, 2004 11:03:27 am PDT #3965 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Green Lantern as a myth can survive the loss of his original character in a way that Superman or Batman couldn't.

Hal's not the Original GL.

Just the best-known and brightest.

Alan Scott would SO kick your ass for forgetting him.

Bruce wasn't Batman after Bane snapped him like a wee little twigman. And it's precisely because of the myth that Jean-Paul took over -- Bruce asked him to, because there needed to be a Batman.

Bruce also wasn't Batman after defeating Bane. He went off to get his head on straight, and Dick took over.


Tom Scola - Jun 17, 2004 11:06:10 am PDT #3966 of 10000
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

He went off to get his head on straight

Uhm... er... uh...


P.M. Marc - Jun 17, 2004 11:06:52 am PDT #3967 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Uhm... er... uh...

I never said it *worked*.


amych - Jun 17, 2004 11:07:33 am PDT #3968 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

still no workey.

I do not understand this. I checked all the files, zipped 'em up afresh, unzipped 'em to make sure the archive worked as advertised, uploaded, downloaded, unzipped again... cannot replicate the no workey. Should I do the individual files and not the archive? t /couldabeenbackchannel


CaBil - Jun 17, 2004 11:10:44 am PDT #3969 of 10000
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

About the GL myth...

Everyone knows Hal is coming back later this year, right?


amych - Jun 17, 2004 11:12:47 am PDT #3970 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Bil, yep.


Miracleman - Jun 17, 2004 11:15:24 am PDT #3971 of 10000
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

Bruce wasn't Batman after Bane snapped him like a wee little twigman. And it's precisely because of the myth that Jean-Paul took over -- Bruce asked him to, because there needed to be a Batman.

Bruce also wasn't Batman after defeating Bane. He went off to get his head on straight, and Dick took over.

But I think those instances reinforce the point...the absences that highlight the icon of Bruce as Batman. It was never really a doubt in anyone's mind that, someday, Bruce would be back in the cowl. He *had* to. Azbats and Dick-as-Bats were just...taunting us. Whetting our appetite for when the Real Bat Deal came back to do that voodoo that he do so well.

Same thing with Supes and his "death". We all knew, deep down, that Clark would return. The whole "Who is the Real Superman?" was just entertaining filler to build up to Clark's resurrection and reassumption of the shield. Because Clark *is* Superman in a way that can't be denied. The Once and Future Superman. Other people can wear the S and take the name, but they're *not* Superman.

I'm slightly incoherent, I think.

The reverse of that is the Flash and GL legacies. I believe, though this may not be at all true, that there is a permanent edict at DC Comics. Barry Allen is *dead*. No coming back, not for real. He died a hero and to bring him back would weaken the impact of that sacrifice. But the Flash legacy lives on. It's not important that *Barry* be the Flash...but it is important that there *is* a Flash.

Same with GL, though not as strongly IMHO. There are Hal Jordan supporters out there who cry that Hal *is* GL now and forevermore and that nobody else should bear that mantle. But before Kyle Rayner there was John Stewart. After Stewart was Guy Gardner. They may not have been as beloved as Hal had become, but the really important thing was that there *was* a Green Lantern.

I hope some of this make sense.


Michele T. - Jun 17, 2004 11:16:33 am PDT #3972 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

The only error info I get is "Tried to position to before start of file." Will try on the Windows box at home.

On topic -- does Dinah know who Nightwing is? Because Ollie does, and I don't imagine him being the soul of discretion, yet there's no evidence she does, besides having a phone number for him, which doesn't necessarily mean anything.


amych - Jun 17, 2004 11:19:57 am PDT #3973 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

I hope some of this make sense.

It does -- and certainly, the GL mythos is explicitly set up that way. You don't have a lone survivor or a freaky guy in unique circumstances -- you have a corps. Flash seems a bit more handwavy -- we have a long history of having successive flashes, and being more or less okay with that, but there isn't a Flash infrastructure supporting the multiples in quite the same way. If that makes any sense. Maybe my nonsense is just responding to your nonsense.

(edit to avoid cereal: I'll go ahead and drop the individual files while I'm still here in the land of happy bandwidth, just in case. Either way, I'm home this evening, so let me know.)