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Discussion of Buffy and Angel comics, books, and more. Please don't get into spoilery details in the first week of release.


CaBil - Sep 26, 2002 2:34:12 am PDT #38 of 10000
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

It was a reprint of crossover of the Buffy/Angel comic. Different artists, I think.

Short version. Bleah.

Longer version. Golden's writing voice just never seems to fit the characters. He tends to a more pulpy style of action.

And fundamentally, DH has never managed to get decent artists, either due to their pay rates and/or licensing issues.

Thus the reason that the Buffy comic is consistently ranked in the 110-120 range of best selling titles, when it should be much, much higher.


CaBil - Sep 26, 2002 2:59:10 am PDT #39 of 10000
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

And Betsy, if you have the full version of that, I would love to read it....


DXMachina - Sep 26, 2002 6:57:04 am PDT #40 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

And fundamentally, DH has never managed to get decent artists, either due to their pay rates and/or licensing issues.

Actually, I very much like the artist who does Fray, but he still hasn't finished the next issue, so...


CaBil - Sep 26, 2002 7:31:02 am PDT #41 of 10000
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

Ah, I suspect the artists for the Joss & ME stories worked solely because it was for Joss & ME.

Meanwhile, over at CrossGen, Karl Moline, the artist of Fray, just put out his four monthly issue of Route 666 on time. CrossGen uses the bullpen system, so it shows what a little whipcracking can do...


DXMachina - Sep 26, 2002 7:36:18 am PDT #42 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Meanwhile, over at CrossGen, Karl Moline, the artist of Fray, just put out his four monthly issue of Route 666 on time. CrossGen uses the bullpen system, so it shows what a little whipcracking can do...

So, what you're saying is that we should show up at Moline's house carrying implements of destruction and, er, encourage him to finish the artwork for the rest of Fray?


CaBil - Sep 26, 2002 7:48:05 am PDT #43 of 10000
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

So, what you're saying is that we should show up at Moline's house carrying implements of destruction and, er, encourage him to finish the artwork for the rest of Fray?

No, no, we should use the method that Japanese manga editors use to get pages out of their artists.

Lock him up in a hotel and slide food under the door in exchange for completed pages.

Edit, and yes, I am not kidding, well except for maybe the food part. Apparently this legal in Japan, or at least not prosecuted...


Jeff Mejia - Sep 26, 2002 7:53:11 am PDT #44 of 10000
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert

Actually, I very much like the artist who does Fray, but he still hasn't finished the next issue, so...

Meanwhile, over at CrossGen, Karl Moline, the artist of Fray, just put out his four monthly issue of Route 666 on time. CrossGen uses the bullpen system, so it shows what a little whipcracking can do...

However, he will not make next month's issue, as Route 666 goes to a backup artist next month. This is a little unusual in CrossGen's titles; usually they don't go to the backup artists until month 6 or 7 of the run.

One thing I did notice at the end of the newest Buffy comic was that Scott Allie mentioned that they would collect Fray together in one volume, but he also said it should be "finished by the beginning of next year". It looks like the schedule has slipped even further than the 12/25/02 finish date that the website promises.


sumi - Sep 26, 2002 9:53:39 am PDT #45 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

Yikes. (About Fray)

So I listened to OMWF on my stereo (rather than the cd/clock-radio that I had listened to it before.) Wow. . . and this time "Sacrifice" brought tears to my eyes.

But there are places where you miss the dialogue -- oh the crickets in "I've Got a Theory", the line about Buffy needing back-up in "Life's a show". . . that sort of thing.


lori - Sep 26, 2002 10:59:19 am PDT #46 of 10000

There also seems to be a bit of extra transition in Under Your Spell, during the time where W/T spun out of the park and into bed. Seems longer on the new soundtrack.


Amber B. - Sep 27, 2002 10:21:34 pm PDT #47 of 10000
I'm beginning to understand this now. It's all about the journey, isn't it?

Nice review of the OMWF soundtrack.

I did disagree with this, though:

Nevertheless, some dialogue exposition would have been meaningful. During the airing of the show, Buffy's song, "Something to Sing About" expresses her anguish about her removal from heaven and ends with her sister's spoken reminder that, "The hardest thing in this world is to live in it." Soundtrack listeners segue right into the next song. That spoken line marks one of the turning points in the show and the rest of the season. It is missed on the soundtrack. The listener is left to rely on her inner "Buffy" voice to chime in with the line when playing the song.

I didn't miss that line at all. To me, the two pieces of dialogue that should have been included were "She needs backup!" and "So you're a good demon? Bringin' the fun in?".