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P.M. Marc - Jun 09, 2004 8:59:25 pm PDT #3645 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I found NW #94 a good post-93 lull. Dick is so very still for most of this, which really struck me. I'm so-so on the art--92 was worse, and Amych is right about the colorist. Given this summer's big crossover event, there's not much they can really do right now in terms of involved storylines. I'd have liked to see an artist I'm fonder of doing the pencils, because this was a very visual issue, and the artist wasn't quite up to snuff.

Amych! I read Legends. And yes, you're right, I needed to. Also, need scans. Because Icons Ahoy!

Re: Identity Crisis #1 I was unexpectedly gutted by it. I like the writer, so I thought for a Big! Event! Book! it would be okay, but it had me near tears. Mind, I'm hormonal and wept at the Spidey trailer, and spent about an hour and a half reading Young Justice and crying two nights ago, but still.

Re: Green Arrow #39 Mia. Killed. Someone. I am pausing to allow this to sink in.


victor infante - Jun 10, 2004 5:22:56 am PDT #3646 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Yeah, Identity Crisis rocked pretty hard. I was not completely surprised about Sue's death--I'd heard rumors, and there was speculation abounding as to who dies, but really, the death's not the big part of the story. What I DON'T know is what the JLA's secret is. That, I'm curious about.


amych - Jun 10, 2004 5:27:10 am PDT #3647 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Agreed, Victor. I stumbled (err, okay, googled) across the identity of the victim, and realized right away that that wasn't the big deal thing. It's clearly what's going to kick off a hell of a lot more.


victor infante - Jun 10, 2004 5:36:49 am PDT #3648 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Yep, it's not the death that's significant, it's the circumstances of the death. Plus, old school JLA is always cool, and it's interesting the characters who were evidently OUT of the loop on the big secret--Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman (who, in current continuity--would have come alter) Aquaman. Pretty much the core of the team was out in the cold on whatever it is.


Micole - Jun 10, 2004 6:47:17 am PDT #3649 of 10000
I've been working on a song about the difference between analogy and metaphor.

Nightwing #94:

There was less focus on Tarantula than I expected, from reading the initial reactions here; maybe I'm just not used to the conventions of superhero comics yet. I do think that the action scenes are Tarantula-focused rather than Nightwing-focused because Grayson is continuing to emphasize that Tarantula sees herself as a hero and considers what she does as morally justified. This was, for me, one of the most fascinating things about the story arc climaxing in #93: Tarantula isn't actually an anarchic force, she has quite a strong moral philosophy -- it's just one that's really messed up. She actually sees everything she does in #93--from shooting Blockbuster to fucking Nightwing--as being, not just fun, but the Right Thing to Do. And she's not oblivious enough not to notice that Nightwing is a mess, but she's oblivious enough to interpret it entirely through her own biases, which are that he's not used to facing The Real Hard Truth of the World, and he still needs to loosen up.

The previous arc led up to a climax in which definitions of heroism/questions about vigilantism/concepts of maximum allowable force clashed -- and Dick caved, in part because he never did see how seriously Tarantula took her own definitions. I think there's a lot farther for him to fall, but along with the personal conflicts of this arc, it still looks like one of the central concerns is going to be Dick's (re)construction of his own idea of morality -- which may end up reaffirming the ideas of Batman & Babs (or his own perception of their ideas), but which is going to have to take Tarantula into account as well.

I think she's probably going to be dead by the end of it, because in plot terms her recklessness is an unfired gun and in symbolic terms she seems to be the limited and selfish view that needs to be sacrificed in order to create a more mature philosophy.

But, as I said, I don't know that I get superhero comics yet; so maybe I'm coming at this from a completely cracked perspective.

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sumi - Jun 10, 2004 6:56:52 am PDT #3650 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

Micole! You've said what I've wanted to say so much better than I ever could.


amych - Jun 10, 2004 7:03:41 am PDT #3651 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

I don't think you're cracked, Micole -- one of the tensions of the Batfamily in particular has always been the fact that the standards for defining good vs. bad vigilantes are very much there, but unspoken. Learning lots of martial arts and wanting to fight crime isn't enough. Tarantula is a wildly fucked up case, but from a certain angle (hers) you could say that she's a better vigilante by the family's own definitions than Huntress (in it for herself) or Robin II (saw it all as a big game and got killed for it), not to mention a pathetic character like Nitewing (bugfuck crazy and just doesn't get it, but somehow well-meaning underneath it all). In other hero myths in the comic verse, it's easier -- if you're a metahuman or alien with wacky powers, what you do with your powers may be questionable or even evil, but the fact that you get to do anything with them at all is pretty clear .


Polter-Cow - Jun 10, 2004 7:06:41 am PDT #3652 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Micole, I think your analysis is spot-on.

One thing I may have missed in my hasty reading of back issues: Why did Tarantula become a vigilante?


sumi - Jun 10, 2004 7:10:51 am PDT #3653 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

I don't know -- because she trained to be an FBI agent and then wound up in social work. Meanwhile her brother becomes a D.A. -- it's like there was this v. strong thread of doing service to the community but I don't remember any sort of backstory as to why they followed those paths.


amych - Jun 10, 2004 7:12:14 am PDT #3654 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

IIRC, it wasn't any big traumatic event so much as a general growing up in a shitty neighborhood and wanting to make things better path.