I want to torture you. I used to love it, and it's been a long time. I mean, the last time I tortured someone, they didn't even have chainsaws.

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Tom Scola - May 30, 2004 1:43:08 am PDT #3308 of 10000
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

As far as animated continuity goes, Supergirl, the Legion, and the New Gods all appeared on Superman: TAS.

Zantanna appeared on Batman: TAS (and hinted at an affair between her and Bruce), along with Etrigan (who appeared on an earlier JL episode).


§ ita § - May 30, 2004 6:22:35 am PDT #3309 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Some of Cartoon Network's 2004 plans that I thought might be of interest to you, PMM:

The Life and Times of Juniper Lee: By outward appearances, Juniper Lee is a typical 11-year-old girl having fun with friends, dealing with siblings and worrying about schoolwork. But fate has dealt June a slightly different hand. For generations, a member of her family has been born into the secret responsibility of fighting the forces of mischief and chaos that hide everywhere. On any given day, she may have to skip out on her best friend's birthday party to discipline some unruly 6-foot leprechauns or smack down some troublemaking gnomes. The Life and Times of Juniper Lee, from creator Judd Winnick, will premiere in February 2005.


Steph L. - May 30, 2004 7:11:35 am PDT #3310 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

As far as animated continuity goes, Supergirl, the Legion, and the New Gods all appeared on Superman: TAS.

Didn't Supergirl die? Or does comics continuity not map to animated continuity?


DXMachina - May 30, 2004 7:14:05 am PDT #3311 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

There's a new Supergirl. Plus the old one just showed up in the current continuity.


Tom Scola - May 30, 2004 7:17:25 am PDT #3312 of 10000
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Didn't Supergirl die? Or does comics continuity not map to animated continuity?

The animation has a different continuity than in the comics. And in the comics, Supergirl has several incarnations that are all unrelated to each other.

The current Supergirl has a very complicated backstory, which doesn't make up for the fact that she's a very boring character. The animated Supergirl is pretty cool, though.


§ ita § - May 30, 2004 7:26:54 am PDT #3313 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

More on the JLU, from an interview with Tramm Wigzell:

it's coming back bigger, badder, and stronger than ever in August with Justice League Unlimited. Although the core seven: Wonder Woman, Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, Flash, Martian Manhunter, and Hawkgirl will still be around; they won't be alone. After the events of Starcrossed, the Justice League realize they are a powerful force, but shouldn't be the only protection for the world.

...

""Starcrossed is being done basically to build everything up to a crescendo so that when we do the switch to the new way the show is going to work it would feel like the right kind of ending and set up for Justice League Unlimited. But it's also for a couple of other reasons. In the bigger sense, multipart storylines are great, but they are exactly that - multiparts."

...

With JLU we can spotlight the characters and give everyone a moment in the sun in one episode as opposed to doing giant arcs where lots happen and there's so much to keep track of."

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There are 22 episodes on tap for the first season of Justice League Unlimited. Although most are planned as self contained single episodes, Wigzell admitted towards the end of the season that could change. "We might see one or two two-part episodes," said Wigzell. "There will be a couple of episodes that are just the core JL and no guests - it's not necessary to have new heroes in every episode, just have it be known that there's a new world order and regime in Justice League now. We'll never just have a character there doing something that any of the core could do - we won't have Supergirl and Green Arrow doing something Wonder Woman and Batman could tackle. There will be a reason a guest star is important and integral to the story. There's no point in having guests just to have guests!"

I'm mostly optimistic, I guess.


Michele T. - May 30, 2004 7:41:12 am PDT #3314 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

Dick's Jason hallucination in (I think) No Man's Land will get you the Nightwing backstory you need.

It's in a Secret Files & Origins issue that just predates NML. And you just spoiled the ending!


Michele T. - May 30, 2004 8:11:08 am PDT #3315 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

By the way, looks like the Marvel relaunch of Powers is on for July!

One question about Powers #5 -- Why is Christian Walker a blond in it?


P.M. Marc - May 30, 2004 9:07:01 am PDT #3316 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

The Life and Times of Juniper Lee, from creator Judd Winnick, will premiere in February 2005.

Bounce!

It's in a Secret Files & Origins issue that just predates NML.

You know you have too many trades when they all start to blur together... it's in the middle of the Darker Shade of Justice TPB. Le d'oh.


§ ita § - May 30, 2004 10:05:38 am PDT #3317 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

What happened to Franklin Richards? He was really cute. Completely not Cousin Oliver, but I was more reading him in Power Pack than in Fantastic Four. Which makes me wonder what happened to the Powers kids ...