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Holli - May 03, 2004 10:18:46 pm PDT #2338 of 10000
an overblown libretto and a sumptuous score/ could never contain the contradictions I adore

The Ultimates, Vol. II was like a gigantic superhero action movie in comic-book form. It was great.

Polter-Cow, I *just* read that. And, well... I don't know. I have a whole rant about how the Ultimates don't work.

I think the reason I don't like the Ultimates, or much of current Marvel, is that they spend too much time skewering old-fashioned Golden Age heroic stereotypes by making all the characters incredibly dysfunctional and messed-up, and not enough time making them, you know, sympathetic or even heroic. The Ultimates are just kind of annoying as people, and reading Vol. II I wondered why they even became superheroes in the first place. They seem so enmeshed in their own problems that the fact that they're supposed to have dedicated their lives to protecting humanity has become secondary.

Maybe I'm missing the point, or misreading it. But what I thought they were trying to do was cast the Avengers-- and superherodom in general-- in a new light by exposing their flaws, and they kind of missed the mark. They wanted a superhero team that's just as petty and bicker-y and has as many problems as any other group of people, right? But, you know, they're superheroes. Making Captain America into, basically, a bully, and Hank Pym an asshole, and Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch into bored, bratty Eurotrash-- it made me wonder what these people are even doing being superheroes in the first place, when they abuse their powers this much.

Is it just me? I mean, aren't these people supposed to have a higher calling? At least the DC crowd has the courtesy to repress their massive psychological problems, so they stay bottled up where they belong and mostly don't interfere with fighting crime.

Oh my god, I'm geeky. And pedantic. What have you people done to me?


CaBil - May 03, 2004 11:54:43 pm PDT #2339 of 10000
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

Technically, Holli, Ultimates is a reboot, seperate from the rest of Marvel.

Shrift, you have read the first two collections of Authority? That is all the Warren Ellis stuff. The next two collections are Mark Millar, with a rotating cast of artists. Some issues are brill, others less so.

Stay away from the current incarnation of Authority.


DXMachina - May 04, 2004 3:01:49 am PDT #2340 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Is it just me? I mean, aren't these people supposed to have a higher calling? At least the DC crowd has the courtesy to repress their massive psychological problems, so they stay bottled up where they belong and mostly don't interfere with fighting crime.

Not just you.


§ ita § - May 04, 2004 3:54:07 am PDT #2341 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The only Ultimate I've read is Ultimate X-Men, and I really like it.


shrift - May 04, 2004 4:02:10 am PDT #2342 of 10000
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

Shrift, you have read the first two collections of Authority? That is all the Warren Ellis stuff.

You know, I had the distinct suspicion the moment I wrote that sentence that I'd already consumed the Warren Ellis run. I decided to go to bed in ignorance. The harsh light of morning sucks.


Frankenbuddha - May 04, 2004 4:20:45 am PDT #2343 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I'm going to attempt to hook Jilli. Pete should live in fear.

You'd think Bats would be a natural for her.


victor infante - May 04, 2004 4:45:52 am PDT #2344 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

How is Katana doing? How's her sword? They did wrap up Halo's story, right? I don't remember how that shook out.

Not really sure. Only glanced at it in the store, but she seems back to normal. Evidently Halo is up and around, too these days, but I know not where.

The only Ultimate I've read is Ultimate X-Men, and I really like it.

Ultimate Fantastic Four. Seriously. It rocks.

Victor's like, an addict grandsire who knows how many times over now.

And me without a commission.


P.M. Marc - May 04, 2004 6:28:23 am PDT #2345 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

You'd think Bats would be a natural for her.

I think *Dick* would be a natural for her. I mean, she could spend hours picturing his pretty self in eyeliner.

And me without a commission.

Sad, isn't it? DC should pay you.


Miracleman - May 04, 2004 6:53:20 am PDT #2346 of 10000
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

Oh, it's just that I haven't bothered to get an Ann Arbor library card, and I don't really have that much time to read for pleasure as it is.

Polter-Cow? You're in Ann Arbor?

Mah brothah!

You know Bob?


shrift - May 04, 2004 7:05:04 am PDT #2347 of 10000
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

You know Bob?

Everyone knows Bob.