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Sean K - Apr 26, 2004 8:02:28 am PDT #2004 of 10000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Other than the bits where Bats mentally outperforms and generally pimp-slaps the shit out of Supes, it's an "eh" story.

I love that. Bats doesn't think too highly of Clark's brain, and prefers him naive. That way, Clark will never see it coming when Bruce has to kill his alien ass (which I'm pretty sure Bats considers not a question of if, but when....).


Steph L. - Apr 26, 2004 8:05:29 am PDT #2005 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

So, I read a random smattering of DC TPBs this weekend (the selections were based solely on what the library had):

Wonder Woman: The Hiketeia (she beats up on Batman in this one)
New Teen Titans -- Terror of Trigon
Batman: Year One
Batgirl: Silent Running (this is Batgirl III, and it's a little freaky to me, plus, it's the first time I've really thought that the Batman is a great big prick)

Next up:

Batman: The Killing Joke
Batgirl: A Knight Alone

And I'm waiting on:

Robin: Year One
Batman: A Lonely Place of Dying


Miracleman - Apr 26, 2004 8:08:27 am PDT #2006 of 10000
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

I love that. Bats doesn't think too highly of Clark's brain, and prefers him naive. That way, Clark will never see it coming when Bruce has to kill his alien ass (which I'm pretty sure Bats considers not a question of if, but when....).

Hell yeah.

You and I, Sean, have discussed this at length IRL, but I will state here that, in my opinion, the ONLY reason Bats is in the JLA is to keep all them SooperDoods in line.

In the "Tower of Babel" (?) story arc, I thought it was extremely lame of Ra's al Ghul to so nicely use Batman's non-lethal "protocols" to take out the JLA. I think Ra's would use the lethal ones.

And I know Bats has lethal protocols for all the members of the League.

Yes, yes...Bats doesn't kill. Sure. Fine. Except...he readily took on the responsibility of killing Supes when Supes handed him the green K.

That's Batman's primary purpose in the League. To sit in the shadows and quietly remind all them god-like bein's that, should they get too uppity, he'll kill them deader'n Elvis.


Sean K - Apr 26, 2004 8:09:08 am PDT #2007 of 10000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Batman: The Killing Joke

That is one of the greatest Bat stories ever told. And is also the source for the generally accepted origin story of the Joker (though the Joker is most certainly an unreliable narrator, and says so while relating the tale).


shrift - Apr 26, 2004 8:10:35 am PDT #2008 of 10000
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

Oh, I dunno... I tend to think that Bats has great respect for Superman, although he's not blinded by the big giant S on his manly alien chest. They bicker. They snipe. They make a really awesome tag team.

Then again, I'm a little biased. Stuff like The Batman/Superman Movie and Loeb's current Superman/Batman run tend to make me go all Batz'N'Supez4Evah!!!!!!!1!

Ahem.


Miracleman - Apr 26, 2004 8:11:04 am PDT #2009 of 10000
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

Batman: The Killing Joke

That is one of the greatest Bat stories ever told. And is also the source for the generally accepted origin story of the Joker (though the Joker is most certainly an unreliable narrator, and says so while relating the tale).

Also: Origin of Oracle.

Hee. Say that five times fast.

As to the origin of the Joker, Alan Moore has said that he doesn't know. He picked that potential origin and is of the opinion that it may be as fictitious as, say, the Joker being an alien prince from another dimension. Moore doesn't know and, equally as important, the Joker doesn't know. Or care.


Miracleman - Apr 26, 2004 8:13:47 am PDT #2010 of 10000
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

Then again, I'm a little biased. Stuff like The Batman/Superman Movie and Loeb's current Superman/Batman run tend to make me go all Batz'N'Supez4Evah!!!!!!!1!

Karl Kesel's "World's Finest" was also a fantastic Bats/Supes story.


shrift - Apr 26, 2004 8:15:22 am PDT #2011 of 10000
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

Karl Kesel's "World's Finest" was also a fantastic Bats/Supes story.

Yes, I enjoyed that one. Although... Bat-mite? I mean... BAT-MITE?!


Tom Scola - Apr 26, 2004 8:15:38 am PDT #2012 of 10000
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Clark met the mermaid girl in college.


Sean K - Apr 26, 2004 8:15:46 am PDT #2013 of 10000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

You and I, Sean, have discussed this at length IRL, but I will state here that, in my opinion, the ONLY reason Bats is in the JLA is to keep all them SooperDoods in line.

Oh yeah. One of our favorite conversations.

And I'm betting Bats has a little mental threat-scale, with Flash (and Steel, and Plastic Man) near the bottom of the list, being originally and primarily human just with freakish abilities gone wrong, Superman and Green Lantern being at the top because of alien origin or possible allegience to alien forces, and Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter somewhere in the middle (she's from this planet, but with questionable loyalties, he's only from the next planet over and thus considerably less alien than Clark).