And speaking of DKR -- was Clark *supposed* to look all big, gay, and Fabio?

Possibly. Writer/Artist Frank Miller doesn't like Clark/Superman very much, so maybe he was dissing on him in his art style. I actually didn't think he treated him that badly in DKR, though. It's the horrible, horrible sequel in which he (and every other character) really gets treated like crap.

ETA: It's been over ten years since I read DKR. Doesn't DKR!Batman use guns? The canonical Batman would never use a gun. He hates guns.

Yes, he uses a gun twice in the book. Plus he's quite old and it's set in a post-apocalyptic future. And Gordon is still commissioner in that future — hasn't he been out of that role for quite a while in canon? And he fakes his death at the end.

There are many, many reasons why this doesn't fit into the modern continuity of the younger, fit Batman.

Steph, here: [link]

Which, you know, might help clear some of the Batthings up.

ETA: It's been over ten years since I read DKR. Doesn't DKR!Batman use guns? The canonical Batman would never use a gun. He hates guns.

Although I'm pretty sure that waaaaay back in the early days, when he was introduced in Detective Comics, he used guns. He was certainly casual about the bad guys dying.

ETA: It's been over ten years since I read DKR. Doesn't DKR!Batman use guns? The canonical Batman would never use a gun. He hates guns.

And which is what prompts Batman to retire in the Batman Beyond cartoon, he's forced to threaten a criminal with a gun to save his life and the life of the hostage he's trying to rescue.

Speaking of BB, I know they've got a few episodes on DVD, but they really need to release a DVD set. I downloaded seasons 1 and 2 it's surprisingly good. (I only caught the occaisional episode on Cartoon Network) I love banter between Bruce and Terry and even though I generally don't care for techno, the background music is really good.

Although I'm pretty sure that waaaaay back in the early days, when he was introduced in Detective Comics, he used guns. He was certainly casual about the bad guys dying.

I seem to recall reading that he only used a gun twice in the normal continuity (of course, I read this was years and years ago.) and one of those times was to kill a werewolf with a silver bullet.

It's been over ten years since I read DKR. Doesn't DKR!Batman use guns? The canonical Batman would never use a gun. He hates guns.

As Bishop says, the Batman uses guns twice...actually four but...(white fonted for spoilery-ness)

The first time he uses a rifle to fire a "grappling hook" (actually a spike attached to a line) from one building to another across the way so he can tightrope-walk across and stop Two Face.

The second time are the cannons on the tank-like Batmobile, used against the Mutant gang which has acquired mega-loads of military weaponry and he uses rubber bullets.

Honest.

The third time is at the county fair where he uses a pistol...but it's like the rifle noted above in that it fires a line, not bullets.

The fourth time he uses Commissioner Yindel's sidearm to set off some plastique and escape.

At no time did he use a gun to kill anyone. Only to get places, get out of places (and he didn't point it at a person in that instance) and disarm/disable.

It's a stretch, but Miller actually made it work.

Although I'm pretty sure that waaaaay back in the early days, when he was introduced in Detective Comics, he used guns. He was certainly casual about the bad guys dying.

I seem to recall reading that he only used a gun twice in the normal continuity (of course, I read this was years and years ago.) and one of those times was to kill a werewolf with a silver bullet.

Back in the first issues, back in '39, Bats did indeed use a gun. Only for a couple of issues, but he did.

National Comics management asked Bob Kane to knock it off, though, as they were afraid of getting complaints.

And he certainly wasn't averse to knocking bad guys into, say, vats of acid and commenting "A fitting end for his kind" or whatnot. Not averse to killing people at all back in those days.

But it was a simpler, more innocent time.

I seem to recall reading that he only used a gun twice in the normal continuity (of course, I read this was years and years ago.)

Well, I'm thinking of back in the 30s, so not much continuity with present day, at all. I think by the time Robin was introduced, he no longer used guns (although villains still had a way of falling off of high places - permanently).

eta Now is that an archetypal buffista x-post or what?

You forgot about the "I believe you" moment with the kid. He hoists a huge gun in his hands and points it at the bad guy.

ETA: Sorry, this was in response to that cool and fairly comprehensive list of "gun moments" in DKR.