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Steph L. - Apr 15, 2004 6:08:15 am PDT #1664 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

For some reason, I thought 1602 #8 was out next week. Maybe I'm confusing it with The Escapist. Hmm. Must go to comic store at lunch.

On Robin, amych said that Spoiler is gonna take over (and be the first she-Robin in the main continuity).

When you say "main continuity," does that not include Dark Knight Returns? (Which I just finished last night, BTW.) Because -- what about Carrie? (Who is a little crazy, IMO.)


Tom Scola - Apr 15, 2004 6:11:10 am PDT #1665 of 10000
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

DKR is definitely not part of the main continuity. It would have been an "Elseworlds" title had such a thing existed when it was first published.


Steph L. - Apr 15, 2004 6:12:40 am PDT #1666 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Why is it not part of the main continuity?

(It's the first Batman title I've read, so maybe I just confused the hell out of myself.)

And speaking of DKR -- was Clark *supposed* to look all big, gay, and Fabio?


Tom Scola - Apr 15, 2004 6:16:16 am PDT #1667 of 10000
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Why is it not part of the main continuity?

There's the whole set-in-an-apocolyptic-future thing.

ETA: It's been over ten years since I read DKR. Doesn't DKR!Batman use guns? The canonical Batman would never use a gun. He hates guns.


Bishop - Apr 15, 2004 6:20:59 am PDT #1668 of 10000
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And speaking of DKR -- was Clark *supposed* to look all big, gay, and Fabio?

Possibly. Writer/Artist Frank Miller doesn't like Clark/Superman very much, so maybe he was dissing on him in his art style. I actually didn't think he treated him that badly in DKR, though. It's the horrible, horrible sequel in which he (and every other character) really gets treated like crap.


Bishop - Apr 15, 2004 6:26:00 am PDT #1669 of 10000
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ETA: It's been over ten years since I read DKR. Doesn't DKR!Batman use guns? The canonical Batman would never use a gun. He hates guns.

Yes, he uses a gun twice in the book. Plus he's quite old and it's set in a post-apocalyptic future. And Gordon is still commissioner in that future — hasn't he been out of that role for quite a while in canon? And he fakes his death at the end.

There are many, many reasons why this doesn't fit into the modern continuity of the younger, fit Batman.


P.M. Marc - Apr 15, 2004 6:26:20 am PDT #1670 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Steph, here: [link]

Which, you know, might help clear some of the Batthings up.


Frankenbuddha - Apr 15, 2004 6:59:52 am PDT #1671 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

ETA: It's been over ten years since I read DKR. Doesn't DKR!Batman use guns? The canonical Batman would never use a gun. He hates guns.

Although I'm pretty sure that waaaaay back in the early days, when he was introduced in Detective Comics, he used guns. He was certainly casual about the bad guys dying.


Kalshane - Apr 15, 2004 7:01:40 am PDT #1672 of 10000
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

ETA: It's been over ten years since I read DKR. Doesn't DKR!Batman use guns? The canonical Batman would never use a gun. He hates guns.

And which is what prompts Batman to retire in the Batman Beyond cartoon, he's forced to threaten a criminal with a gun to save his life and the life of the hostage he's trying to rescue.

Speaking of BB, I know they've got a few episodes on DVD, but they really need to release a DVD set. I downloaded seasons 1 and 2 it's surprisingly good. (I only caught the occaisional episode on Cartoon Network) I love banter between Bruce and Terry and even though I generally don't care for techno, the background music is really good.


Kalshane - Apr 15, 2004 7:03:31 am PDT #1673 of 10000
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Although I'm pretty sure that waaaaay back in the early days, when he was introduced in Detective Comics, he used guns. He was certainly casual about the bad guys dying.

I seem to recall reading that he only used a gun twice in the normal continuity (of course, I read this was years and years ago.) and one of those times was to kill a werewolf with a silver bullet.