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victor infante - Dec 14, 2003 6:16:55 pm PST #1296 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Did that give us the current Despair, or did the twin die/disappear?

No. The first Despair was killed. All we know about that is that, according to Dream, the person responsible for it is suffering eternal torment--or words to that effect--and that he had better reason for his actions than Lyta Hall had for hers.

§ ita § - Dec 14, 2003 6:31:22 pm PST #1297 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The first Despair was killed.

But which one was the twin?

Michele T. - Dec 14, 2003 8:05:56 pm PST #1298 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

They both are/were.

§ ita § - Dec 14, 2003 8:06:35 pm PST #1299 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

So it's not like Morpheus/Daniel?

victor infante - Dec 15, 2003 7:23:35 am PST #1300 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Ita, I think you're getting a bit confused.

First off, when a second iteration of the Endless appears, they are no longer really what they were. "Daniel" is no longer Lyta Hall's son. He has ALWAYS been Dream. But he's notMorpheus. Morpheus is a facet of Dream that no longer exists.

Desire and Despair, the twins, seperated more or less as soon as the first living thing in the universe despaired and desired, which it evidently did at the same time, which makes sense to me.

The first Despair was killed just a few hundred years ago. But the currrent Despair is everything the previous Despair ever was, just a different facet of her.

Did that help?

§ ita § - Dec 15, 2003 7:25:44 am PST #1301 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Well, my question was "Did the Desire/Despair split provide the first and/or the second Despair?"

I knew the rest of the stuff in your post, but I still don't think I know the answer to my question.

victor infante - Dec 15, 2003 7:30:25 am PST #1302 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

I knew the rest of the stuff in your post, but I still don't think I know the answer to my question.

Ah. The split provided the first Despair. The First Despair was only killed a few centuries ago.

sumi - Dec 15, 2003 12:11:22 pm PST #1303 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

I liked the Spike'n Dru in Prague story in "Tales of the Vampires" -- do we know when the next book comes out?

P.M. Marc - Dec 22, 2003 10:33:42 am PST #1304 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Testing something.

Jon B. - Dec 22, 2003 10:34:26 am PST #1305 of 10000
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

test confimed!

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