I don't know if this helps with the speccing out or not, but for record, I'm in favour of being able to change both the font and the size; what Verdana looks good at is not Times New Roman's optimal size, etc.

I think you're right. Looking at that Wiki, while they tend to recommend the "Ems and Percentages" approach, it's the px approach that is most consistant between browsers.

Have I mentioned lately how much I hate that CSS support across browsers is such a crapshoot?

I was just reading the section on style sheet switching, and then it got to the point of lack of support and then I cried.

Okay -- where are we:

• minimal (don't specify font -- anything else?)
• stealth (lose colours, images?)
• large (increase font sizes by how much?)
• small (drop font sizes by how much?)
• ho (no whitefont)

As opposed to what?

Ems are ideal for accessibility (and would take out the need for smaller and larger styles), but harder to make the page look just right.

Even if you stick with px for the body text, it's a simple matter to make everything else a percentage relative to that.

(Which, looking up-thread, faster typists have already said.)

Have I mentioned lately how much I hate that CSS support across browsers is such a crapshoot?

t hands Plei a soothing tableless layout that has been tested in 10 browsers on 3 OSes

Something a little odd. I just did a refresh of the index page, and the "Firefly Spoilers" thread appeared at the top with a message count but without the number of new messages.

I made the same mistake in book club. At some point (threadsuck this thread to see when) all the threads ate some funny code which caused one new post per thread to contain the same number as the previous post. So if there had been no posts in FF spoilers in awhile that would be what caused it to move to the top with no apparent new post. Or something like that.

There actually was a new (and unread) post, and thus the jump to the top of the thread list was correct, but the usual "# new" part of the description was missing.

eta: Aha! Now I see it. The new post did indeed get the same post number as the previous post, so it was new by date but not by number.

I'm having a weird thing happen in Bitches. When I first got to the thread, everything after Daniel posted to Wind Sparrow Daniel C. Jensen "Spike's Bitches 21 Gunn Salute" Jan 22, 2005 6:35:57 am PST in red text was also in red. When I wrote up a post saying everything was red text and hit post, so that only my post and the one right before it were on screen, there was no red text. I did some playing around, and when Daniel's post is on the screen, everything on the screen after it is in red. At first, that was a portion of the 30 posts that is my default, because Daniel's was in the middle, but when I marked his post, so that his was on the top of the page, all of the following 29 posts were in red text. Same thing happened when I thread sucked.

Lee, the reason that's happening is that the red text is coming from the red tag in Daniel's post. If that's not on the screen, no red.

However, when I'm looking at it, Daniel's post is the only one in red.