Gus, you can remove Zihuatenejo (By Margaritaville) and Fort Hancock (Texas). I was in a Shawshank Redemption frame of mind last night and...

Oh, and I put in Lake Woebegon. It does not need to be.

DCJ, that's done. Thanks. The joke is getting a little overextended.

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But a dedicated server is pretty much a one-time investment, right? Or am i just totally confused on the way things work? Can you not provide your own server to whatever ISP is giving you access, with your own hard drive and CPU and whatnot? Why would CPU cycles provide a continuous expense?

No, we're renting someone else's hardware. There's a point at which buying our own would be cheaper, but with a managed dedicated server they do take some care of us. Most of the strict co-location agreements I've seen, where you provide the hardware, they don't touch the box beside making sure it's cool and has power. Meaning no backup, no reboots, no upgrades, nothing. We'd need to have someone who could go in and physically touch it, or pay through the nose for someone unfamiliar with how we decided to set up the OS and utilities to poke at it.

Ah. I guess that makes sense. I'm looking at this thing from a rather naive micro-management standpoint, I guess. I can see the benefits of having them do backups, reboots, et cetera for us. Guess it's a matter of whether we have somebody dedicated and interested enough that they'd be a good Sysadmin for a buffista-built-boxen with little or no pay, if we wanted to make it cheaper. Might be a rather time-consuming and thankless job.

Okay. Gotcha. Understood. I can see how this board would be big enough of a deal to require a dedicated server, too.

MySQL stuff

Would switching to Postgres help at all, or is it more difficult to interface with PHP, or is the stuff you're running into unrelated to the stuff that Postgres does better than MySQL? I only have rudimentary knowledge of these things, admittedly, but I've heard that Postgres is more professionally respected for some things than MySQL, if somewhat more difficult to use.

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Would switching to Postgres help at all, or is it more difficult to interface with PHP, or is the stuff you're running into unrelated to the stuff that Postgres does better than MySQL?

That's being investigated right now -- tommyrot's been working on it.

iStrata charges $400/month for a co-located box, vs. $99/month for the dedicated server we're using.

Finding a place that offers cheaper virtual dedicated servers might be another alternative. Board users might not like the slower board performance, but we wouldn't have to worry about getting booted again for using too much server horsepower and it should be a lot cheaper.

iStrata isn't offering those right now, but I think I've seen places that are.

It might be an idea to investigate that, but since tommyrot's getting along in the Postgres investigation, plus it has other benefits, I don't think we're in an either-or situation.

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... and we're clear. The USA map is only one that zooms.