D'ohh. OK. On their website, where they talk about bandwidth, they talk about bytes not bits, so I assumed kbps was also bytes.
Simon: I'm trying to put this as delicately as I can... How do I know you won't kill me in my sleep? Mal: You don't know me, son. So let me explain this to you once: If I ever kill you, you'll be awake, you'll be facing me, and you'll be armed.
'Serenity'
Buffistas Building a Better Board
Do you have problems, concerns or recommendations about the technical side of the Phoenix? Air them here. Compliments also welcome.
Jon B. - Oct 23, 2003 9:05:32 am PDT #5581 of 10000
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
Allyson - Oct 23, 2003 9:15:31 am PDT #5582 of 10000
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
I'm unsure how the culture of the board changes by the amount we spend to keep it live.
Susan W. - Oct 23, 2003 9:21:54 am PDT #5583 of 10000
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights
I'm a little nervous about whether we can come up with the entire $2400 for a year up front. Speaking for myself, I'd be happy pledging (say) $5/month, but sad as this is, I couldn't give $60 right now, and I think I can safely say I'm not the only Buffista who's kinda broke.
Consuela - Oct 23, 2003 9:23:01 am PDT #5584 of 10000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
2400/100 regular posters = $24.
IJS.
I think in the long term a $200/month fee might become a problem for fundraising, but in the near term? NSM.
Susan W. - Oct 23, 2003 9:26:29 am PDT #5585 of 10000
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights
Well, I'm assuming that some regular posters won't be able to give at all.
Astarte - Oct 23, 2003 9:29:38 am PDT #5586 of 10000
Not having has never been the thing I've regretted most in my life. Not trying is.
The thing is, and I speak from experience here, it only makes a difference if we let it.
If disagreements start being peppered with accusations of "freeloader" or "just cuz you gave money to the server doesn't mean you can run roughshod over everybody else"- then the culture rapidly will take a nosedive into unpleasant divisiveness.
But, like all other community standards, if we're vigilant of ourselves, it may cause some intermittent hiccups, but no substantive change.
NoiseDesign - Oct 23, 2003 9:33:53 am PDT #5587 of 10000
Our wings are not tired
I just want to chime in with one thing. I do a lot of work with places that deal with bids, and that have to choose the lowest bidder for products, and this almost never works out well. I see that we are looking at a lot of solutions, and that is very good. However, the cheapest solution is not typically the best. A Hyndai and a Mercedes both fit the definition of a car, however there is a world of difference between the two of them.
I'm happy to pitch in so that we can move to a good solution. Let me know where I need to send my money. I'm happy to pitch in and help keep things running smoothly here.
Liese S. - Oct 23, 2003 9:36:16 am PDT #5588 of 10000
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."
Well, remember that we built these boards because TT went pay and some of us didn't want to or were unable to pay, and some of us did want to or could and did pay. It was unrealistic for us to buy gift memberships for everyone who needed them, so we built our own sandbox.
I expect that if we're able to maintain a moderately low price level, we'll continue to be able to sustain the boards as we have been, with those who can and wish to pay doing so, and those who can't or don't wish to pay not doing so. It's never been a thing. We give when we can because we like it here, and we want it to be available both for ourselves and for others. That's just how it works.
If we are paying a significantly larger amount, yes, there will be board culture changes. But if we need to, we may be able to weather those changes just like we have weathered those in the past.
Allyson - Oct 23, 2003 9:41:53 am PDT #5589 of 10000
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
The only person who knows who gives what is Jesse. I don't see an issue that touches board culture.
The only person who knows who gives what to charity is me, and all those gifts are given in the name of Buffistas, and that hasn't ever been a problem. I don't see this as different.
Cashmere - Oct 23, 2003 9:43:10 am PDT #5590 of 10000
Now tagless for your comfort.
I'm not all that worried about a cultural shift under increased financial requirements for the board. I know I can give more than some and I'm perfectly willing to do that without wondering who hasn't paid or who can't pay.
The only thing I'm worried about is having the phoenix around for a long time and having it stable and comfy.