KNUT!!

Thank you, David!

Yes, I want an assumed name, but only for Sang Sacre. It's not my fault, really. Some evil wizard cast a mirror spell

My head is exploding. Bad CVS! Bad CVS!

Well, okay, what's bugging me is methodology, not the application.

We need:

• code control
• test environment

Now, CVS does the first, and we already have the second. I'm not having any joy with how to combine them both in a safe and lovely manner.

Ideas from those with expertise?

Because just having folks FTP stuff up isn't working, with the stepping on, and vanilla CVS isn't allowing for testing.

If the problem is people overwriting changes on the test server, you could check a file into CVS that contains a list of people in line to use the test server. The top person on the list can do what they want with the server. When they're done, they take themselves off the list.

That, at least, will keep accidental stepping on.

I don't imagine two people can share the test server at the same time, at least not reliably.

I don't imagine two people can share the test server at the same time, at least not reliably.

There must be a way. I don't say that because I can even halfway think of one, but because someone must be doing, it, right? A test site per coder is way too many.

I'm hoping I can get a fake phoenix running on my Mac. That might help.

The other way would be to break up the Phoenix source into modules that we're convinced are independant. Then folks can test the modules simultaneously.

But otherwise, no, I don't think two people can be modifying and testing the same program at the same time on the same machine and not go insane.

Right now, apart from the pages you see in the URL, there are class files -- user, quotes, post, thread, search, e-mail.

In theory, many changes will be happening in those, and need not overlap.

In theory.

Bleargh.

Yeah, it sounds like reserving the test site will be required.

I'm guessing that since coding Phoenix will be a spare-time only activity for all of us, we won't tend to collide on the test server.

How CVS performance look?

I was futzing with it on Buffistas.org, but I'm stuck at authentication methods. And I don't think there's any advantage to doing it there, if Karl doesn't mind hosting -- at least not to wait on me to work stuff out.

One advantage would be being able to check out directly into the test area, as opposed to having to FTP stuff to the server.

Can you run pserver on the test server?