I'm not so much talking exact parallels to the characters, so much as I am the archetypes: the bright, supremely powerful force that's extremely human beneath the abilities, and the dark, purely human force that's more menacing than anything super-powered that's thrown at it.
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Heroes 1: We Could Be Heroes
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victor infante - Feb 11, 2010 2:14:25 pm PST #4995 of 5028
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
§ ita § - Feb 11, 2010 2:24:49 pm PST #4996 of 5028
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
But I think the idea that HRG works counter to the goals of the group is fundamentally different from the relationship Batman has with his peers. For them it's a means and an end sort of a thing. Part of the issue with HRG and with Heroes in general is the lack of a general end.
HRG is menacing not just because of how he does things (like Batman) but because of the things he wants to do.
If Batman were randomly trying to kill/contain Superman, then I could see it more.
victor infante - Feb 11, 2010 6:42:04 pm PST #4997 of 5028
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
If Batman were randomly trying to kill/contain Superman, then I could see it more.
Again, it's not an exact analogy, but it bears out my point. One of the weaknesses with the show has been its tendency to revert relationships back to the status quo, often to the point of building artificial barriers to the relationships deepening. But in the times where they have worked together -- and really, Claire aside, Noah's probably got the best personal relationship with Peter of all of them -- it's come down to MegaPowerful Peter wanting to do what's right, and HRG wanting to do what's necessary. And as they consistently end up on the same side, I think it's natural to let that dynamic evolve to be one of the centerpieces of the show. ETA: I think back to the end of the first season, where Peter and Noah first really bond. I think that link, while it's been present, hasn't really been explored to its fullest. But then, the show tends to run rampant with relationships by keeping characters separate or in small groups for too long.
Of course, the show still has problems keeping all its principals in the same story, or indeed, on screen. So there's that.
And back to Claire for a moment, it's hard not to draw a parallel between Claire's Maybe-Gay-Probably-Until-Graduation storyline and the "wanting to live in the open" stunt. I see it as kind of anvilicious, but oddly, I haven't seen anyone draw the line between the two story lines.
Trudy Booth - Feb 11, 2010 7:06:17 pm PST #4998 of 5028
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
Apparently, it's going to take a while for me to get over Clare all BIG HUG! when she saw Doyle. That was Peter stupid, and I don't say that lightly.
Ginger - Feb 11, 2010 7:31:14 pm PST #4999 of 5028
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda
I think I've become inured to the fact that the specials have powers in lieu of brains.
Frankenbuddha - Feb 12, 2010 3:04:14 am PST #5000 of 5028
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Apparently, it's going to take a while for me to get over Clare all BIG HUG! when she saw Doyle. That was Peter stupid, and I don't say that lightly.
Yeah, the writers were on the high-grade monkey-crack with that moment. Serious WTF?
Frankenbuddha - Feb 12, 2010 3:10:36 am PST #5001 of 5028
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Although, it is kind of weird to think of HRG and Claire swimming through Tracy more or less.
I was a bit confused about what Tracy's ulitimate fate was since she didn't reappear out of the pool she created. I know HRG and ER had some exchange there, but I missed exactly what was said (and deleted the ep before I remembered I wanted to go back and check).
I do remember thinking when HRG was coughing after coming up for air (and watching the "water" dripping off both him and Claire) "Ugh - that's NOT water!"
Vortex - Feb 12, 2010 6:58:42 am PST #5002 of 5028
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
I was a bit confused about what Tracy's ulitimate fate was since she didn't reappear out of the pool she created.
I think that she just went back to wherever she came. I also choose to believe that she used groundwater to augment her powers so that the stuff dripping off of Noah and Claire was water and not Tracy.
Good call on Lauren's part to get Tracy involved.
erin_obscure - Feb 13, 2010 12:21:37 am PST #5003 of 5028
Occasionally I’m callous and strange
Marvelous casting on geriatric Charlie. I actually had to check IMDB to make sure it was a different actress and not an exceedingly well-made-up Jayma. Best part of the ep!
-t - Feb 16, 2010 8:29:35 am PST #5004 of 5028
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
Wacky thought: suppose Claire revealing her Specialness puts our Heroes into a dark future like what they were trying to avoid in Season One, and further suppose that this somehow allows the two timelines to converge. Maybe Peter's Irish girlfriend could make another appearance!
It looks even wackier typed out than it sounded in my head, but I still like it.