Lilah ,'Just Rewards (2)'
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Tagged, and Maria needs to visit RIGHT NOW.
juliana has popped my cherry. It's only taken 2 1/2 years. WooT!
I miss the "Hey, I'm in my twenties, drunk and invulnerable, let's set fire to some stuff then go pick up chicks" trouble.
It hasn't gone anywhere. That kind of trouble has now become:
Hey, I'm in my thirties, drunk and hungover, let's stop the punks next door from setting fire to stuff then go pick up my wife and daughter.
Er, TROUBLE, why hast thou forsaken me?!?!
Hey, I'm in my thirties, drunk and hungover, let's stop the punks next door from setting fire to stuff then go pick up my wife and daughter.
Can I stop the punks next door with a shotgun? That'd make me feel better.
Lee, that would be very fun.
It would! We must pursue it, once you are healthy.
Where's sarameg?
There's another thing on that asshat optical company, with photo of asshat cover:
Well, I looked at the cover of that magazine, and I'm going to go against the trend by saying the cause of feminism has worse things to worry about than a fully clothed woman with awareness in her eyes and a sense of humor in her smile.
Sorry, I'm not offended. Bemused, but not offended.
edit: The way people were talking, I was expecting something like I see on the car magazines, an obviously tit-enhanced bimbo in a string bikini and stupid platform heels.
Allyson, they gave that professor basically the same answer they gave you. Ugh.
Plei, Nora, Lee, I also keep my Brita water pitcher on the counter.
Right here! Glad to see it blogged about more. The AASWomen thing (CSWA)was the email list I'm on. There was also another comment about another (male) collegue expressing discomfort over the trend towards "booth babes" by commercial industries at technical conferences and trade shows.
They certainly don't have a cohesive corporate statement on this, do they? I don't know when the Marcy emails occurred, but as of the 14th, the Assoc. Dir. at CfA, Nancy Brickhouse ,got the following back from a second complaint she emailed, wherein she asked if she would need to ban the catalogs on the grounds of harassment :
Marisa Edmund, VP of Marketing, responded the same day, ``Thank you for your feedback. I will be sure to review your comments and concerns with the CEO and entire EO team. We have significantly changed our marketing campaigns moving forward and hope you will find them more appropriate.''
I still can't believe...well, yeah, I can. It's just so stupid.
I can see that, Connie. Most definitely.
It's a context thing, for me, in this particular environment, I was terribly embarassed by it, and if I was meeting with one of the scientists and it was on the table in an office, it'd make me pretty uncomfortable.
I keep wanting to add that I'm no prude, which also bothers me. I mean, you know I'm not, but I keep feeling like I need a qualifier or something.
It just seems so out of place. If they were selling a conference venue to scientists, and had pretty people in bathing suits slounging around a pool as part of their graphics, I'd think nothing of it. But having this woman slounging next to their device (which suddenly looks a little phallic) is just...weird.
It perpetuates a climate that is still a big issue, especially in the fields that company targets. I've been witness to it far too many times, and seen careers get stuck because of that climate.
Sure, that woman may be the most brilliant thing since Einstein, but that's not what that ad is about. That ad is trying to sell technical by using her sex appeal. Yeah, you can have sex appeal and be brilliant. That's not the point. Sex appeal is not the point of an optical thingmawhatzit. If you are selling science, sell fucking science, not some chick's bustline. It's not appropriate. A fuzzy bunny wouldn't be either, but it wouldn't get snarled up in some real workplace/societal issues.
I like looking pretty. And I won't sacrifice that, but it has jack shit to do with my intelligence. If I'm talking to you about galactic composition, you'd better be thinking about galactic composition and not about my tits. If you are, that's a problem with YOU. And encouraging an environment that faciliates that, or tacitly encourages it? Is wrong and does me no favors.
I'm lucky. I'm damned lucky in that I was born in '75. But some of the shit that has been said to my face by professionals in this field? Is shameful.