If someone says, "The idea of whips and chains totally freaks me out."
I think they should be allowed to say that, too.
I do too. The difference I see between that and what Zoe said would be:
"The idea of whips and chains is disgusting."
Jayne: That's a good idea. Good idea. Tell us where the stuff's at so I can shoot you. Mal: Point of interest? Offering to shoot us might not work so well as an incentive as you might imagine.
'Out Of Gas'
Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier
A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.
Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych
Dana - Apr 14, 2003 2:23:25 pm PDT #9916 of 10001
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."
Cindy - Apr 14, 2003 2:23:55 pm PDT #9917 of 10001
Nobody
That's what msbelle's forthcoming proposal is about. I think it's moot to talk about it before it becomes officially open.
Is she waiting for someone to open Lightbulb, or are we waiting for msbelle to first post in Press?
amyth - Apr 14, 2003 2:24:31 pm PDT #9918 of 10001
And none of us deserving the cruelty or the grace -- Leonard Cohen
sm, if I come turn off your computer, how will you do your job?
P.M. Marc - Apr 14, 2003 2:24:35 pm PDT #9919 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
I think in my case, I'm seeing more of the ita thing, less of a specific thing. It's a generalized problem, which is what's making it tricky.
Cindy - Apr 14, 2003 2:25:39 pm PDT #9920 of 10001
Nobody
Lyra Jane - Apr 14, 2003 2:25:54 pm PDT #9921 of 10001
Up with the sun
Hey, what will B2 be? I like "Like Sartre, only longer."
§ ita § - Apr 14, 2003 2:26:28 pm PDT #9922 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
we waiting for msbelle to first post in Press
Msbelle hasn't finished drafting the proposal, so we can't really go too far discussing it.
Deena - Apr 14, 2003 2:26:53 pm PDT #9923 of 10001
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara
I've got a couple of things to add that may or may not be helpful. I'm sorry. I've been away from the computer all day.
When Zoe posted in Bitches, she was perfectly coherent. She posted that she felt she had violated the rules of the Catholic church and wanted to know what she could do to make up for it. At that time, I and several other posters tried to encourage her, soothe her and help her to understand that she hadn't done anything seriously wrong. We gave her options, as we understood them, because we thought it was of serious concern to her.
I got the impression that, since we didn't react with horror and disgust, we weren't very interesting, so she went to play elsewhere. I could be wrong, absolutely, but my point is that she was coherent, she was aware of an offense, and she displayed contrition. She's quite capable of doing that.
When the christianity joke thing came up in Angel, I posted to her immediately after Stef did, with, I hoped, some similar gentle soothe -- reaching out to her type of thing -- and got no response. I had hoped that she would recall her positive statements in regard to Christianity and consider how she appeared to her readers -- then be willing to moderate her post, delete it, apologize for offending, whatever necessary. Considering the fact that she's had several e-mails over this current situation and that I believe people have reached out to her to attempt to train her in the past, I don't think she's willing to be trained.
I agree with regard to the demon-behaviour, and that this is an instance where the system in place should work. There are other posting boards where she'd fit in better (and probably get a lot less attention, but that's not our problem).
If the way this works is going to a vote, fine. If it's consensus, I'm consensed. I like what Nutty and Msbelle proposed wrt the boilerplate and the proposal.
Are we going to be patient until the voting process runs its course?
Allyson - Apr 14, 2003 2:27:07 pm PDT #9924 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
I know this was more hypothetical than not. However, can I say, whether this had been Allyson or any other poster, I think an offense has a shelf-life.
I think that the folks who are upset are upset because I have clarified, and perhaps that clarification has made it more obvious to them that I see Zoe as subhuman, and not worthy of respect, or that my lack of respect for Zoe in the instance of my smacking her around equates to a lack of respect to the board.
Ergo, my not being sorry about kicking Zoe, means I am not sorry for the damage to the Buffistas caused by my vigilantism (is that a word?).
I also see some disappointment from folks like smonster, that perhaps I am Not a Nice Person.
I'm here, though, and willing to talk about it.
Fay - Apr 14, 2003 2:27:22 pm PDT #9925 of 10001
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.
BIG DAMN BAD: My love will follow you wherever you go, Fred. And by "love," I mean "vengeful zealots."
...LET HER GO.
I read it as a joke too - that she's riffing on Matt's post, badly, to say that we (by which she's including herself) will follow Fred and get rid of her. She's saying "Enough Fred, already! Let her go! No more Fred! If I have to go kill her myself, along with my band of Buffistas!"
Could it not be that, from the context? You were more involved in the conversation than I was, and I try to stay out of Angel to avoid spoilage, so I totally might be getting the wrong end of the stick. Is she a Fred fan?