Both, unfortunately, but probably as one vote (e.g., yes or no to a specific wording).

Fair enough, but I think

I think we said we wouldn't vote on disciplining posters or Stompy duties

you're right here. I understand raising the point, but I think this is one of those things we don't vote on.

I don't think it is a voting issue. Comfort levels would improve if we had some standard wording. This has only happened a couple times, but it has been very painful. Yeah, we like to talk, but I personally think a more streamlined process would be less stressful. We are still going to address the problem, but if there is consensus that a problem exists then having a standard response is good.

I could have said that with a lot fewer words. Coffee now.

removed because I was drafting something people weren't talking about - sorry for the confusion

IMO, we don't need consensus around warnings. If we agree that making other people feel bad is wrong, not everyone has to feel bad before there's a problem. If you know what I'm saying. If ten people are offended, and ten people are not, I still think there should be a warning. And it's been said before, but warnings are not the end of the world.

Cindy, you did say to play with it:

Bureacracy

We need more of u in here.

No, seriously. This is really, truly not a voting matter.

We have a system that says misbehavers get a warning letter from the stompies. If we wanted to change the system so that we would no longer have a warning, that would require a vote.

What we're talking about here is, as a matter of stompy convenience, having something written out in advance. It's an administrative matter, not a policy. If we're going to have a whole discussion and vote, this place will truly have turned into the student council meeting from hell.

This is really, truly not a voting matter.

Indeed. For the reasons outlined by Jesse:

If we agree that making other people feel bad is wrong, not everyone has to feel bad before there's a problem. If you know what I'm saying. If ten people are offended, and ten people are not, I still think there should be a warning.

It's not a consensus, or a vote. It's "people feel bad, let's try and stop that."

This is a matter for the Stompies to work out, and so not for voting on.

Please.

If this community insists on hashing out every bullshit bureaucratic detail in an open 800-person forum, it will be the death of it.

Cindy, that letter is fantastic and clever and all of that, but I wonder if our goals would be better-served with something shorter and more straightforward, along the lines of,

Dear Buffistina Monkeypants,

Your posts X (through Y) in thread Z have come to our attention as being outside our etiquette. Specifically, several posters read them as (personal attacks/disparaging of a specific group/rude beyond the telling of it/other).

We enjoy your contributions to the community, and we understand that everyone makes mistakes. This is not an official warning -- but please try to think before you post in the future, or we will issue one.

If you want to read our etiquette, the short version is LINK. (This matter was also discussed in bureaucracy starting LINK).

Thank you for your attention,

Stompy McStompypants

IMO, we don't need consensus around warnings. If we agree that making other people feel bad is wrong, not everyone has to feel bad before there's a problem.

Agreed.

Nice Cindy. I think it needs to be chopped some, but I am not alert girl at the moment.

eta: I do like the humor element. Very Buffista-y